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All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by lawlessone »

adventured wrote: post #205
lotsofpulp wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One person using more software to "make" music does not remove the process or devalue music for another person who wants to use less software to make music. Replace music with anything in this reasoning.

Exactly right. It's like arguing there is only one way to make food for enjoyment. It's pure snobbery to proclaim there's only one proper way to do X thing along these lines. Making art is just the same, there is no right way to do it. The HN crowd wants everybody sitting at home on UBI suffering trying to be creative. It's like arguing for hand washing clothes to get that full, proper, drawn-out, brain smashing expe…

>Now sit at home and be a good boy, take that UBI, create and be productive

Honestly i prefer that listening marketing bro's on linkedin posting about how AI means X is finished and everyone who learned X needs to pay for their webinar on writing prompts.

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Post by Paracompact »

pton_xd wrote: post #195
wincy wrote: post #137

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I made my wife a song about how we met using Suno. It took me about 4 hours to get the lyrics just right, rewriting them (without AI help, it’s terrible with lyrics), plugging them in, seeing how they sounded, fixing them some more to get the verse so it sounded right. She thought it was really special and she cried as we listened to it while holding hands in the car. I can’t play guitar, and I can’t hit some notes w…

> 4 hours That made me imagine -- in the future when AI is much more advanced, maybe I could just prompt it with say "something sentimental to make my wife cry." I mean, I still came up with the idea and ultimately it's the thought that counts right. What's the limit here? Is this some sort of human emotion exploit, or a legitimate bonding experience?

Biggest blockers:

1. Wives aren't a monolith. The prompt is underspecified, or else individual taste and preciousness is dead.

2. No matter how good the tech today is (or isn't) getting, the responses are very low temperature. The reason it takes a human 4 hours to write the poem is because that is time spent exploring profoundly new structures and effects. Compare this to AI which is purpose-built to hone in on local optima of medians and clichés wherever possible.

> I mean, I still came up with the idea and ultimately it's the thought that counts right. What's the limit here?

Sociologically, devoid of AI discussion, I imagine the limit is the extent to which the ideas expressed in the poem aren't outright fabrications (e.g. complimenting their eyes when really you couldn't care less). As well, it does not sit right with humans if you attempt to induce profound feelings in them by your own less-than-profound feelings; it's not "just the thought," it's also the effort that socially signals the profundity of the thought.

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Post by echelon »

alwa wrote: post #176
echelon wrote: post #158

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AI music models are a tool. They're only as good as the person doing the steering and curation. I am a filmmaker. I have made photons-on-glass films for decades. I have always wanted to make big-budget sci-fi and fantasy films, as have my friends and colleges who went to film school. The barrier to entry is almost impossible to climb. Most of my friends wound up in IATSE or doing commercial work, but never had the ch…

I agree with you on pretty much all that you’ve said here. Thank you especially for the recommended viewing! I wonder what happens, though, as the economics shift? It’ll be great, creatively speaking, for people who have a project inside them itching to get out into the world. Those were always the people who made the most interesting art anyway. But viewership economics aren’t expanding in the same way. Same number…

Hollywood budgets aren't growing, but they're not shrinking either.

Most recent cost cutting has been Hollywood offshoring IATSE jobs to Europe and Asia. 80% of Atlanta's once burgeoning film production has moved away. We have tremendous, multi-billion dollar studio facilities here too.

I do expect AI to eventually be used for saving on VFX costs, pre-production, and even B roll, but I don't think it'll replace principal photography right away. It might be used in more animation projects.

I don't think those budgets will disappear. Rather, I think they will be spent on other projects to increase the slate of offerings.

Meanwhile, completely orthogonal to all of this, the creator economy has been growing tremendously year over year. We have lots of independent creators that are now household names and brands.

Some indie YouTubers that have grown big include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zach_Hadel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivienne_Medrano

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Haver

All of them were offered network deals.

I suspect we'll see a rise of indie filmmakers and that the field will begin to look more like writing, indie music, or indie games. Anyone can bring their talent and not much capital and make interesting and compelling work.

The problem, as always, will be discovery. A lot of good work will still go unseen. But this is better than the work not being practical or possible.

As long as people capture minds and attention, there will be incredible value in creating and captivating. Artists will get paid. It's just a matter of artists breaking through and finding an audience.

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Post by empath75 »

jajuuka wrote: post #79

The author has a myopic view on Gen AI videos. They only focus on the most extreme examples and then hand wave cat videos as some crisis about reality. We had these exact same alarmists with previous technologies. Human's have an uncanny ability to adapt as their environment changes. Photoshop and 3D didn't destroy our brains and neither will this. Misinformation and the such have never needed AI to be effective. Tho…

I think long term the primary use case for AI generated video is people creating AI generated video for themselves to watch as consumers, rather than passing off AI generated work as their own.

I would not mind if I could go to ChatGPT and say: "Make me a 15 minute video about the history of gold mining in the Byzantine Empire", and it makes a mediocre soulless video I can half pay attention to while working.

If I see a 15 minute video on youtube about it and I find out after starting to watch it that it was AI generated, it sends me into a blind rage that makes me want to delete the internet, though.

Don't give me AI content unless I explicitly ask for it!

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Post by [deleted] »

Mouvelie wrote: post #61
ramoz wrote: post #37

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If you think this for one ai you must think it for all. I can now instantly visualize anything I think of. That is creative power. The same for code - I can instantly scaffold a frontend I think of in google ai studio. Its not all great and I have to keep the slot machine spinning. But it's empowering. These "ai kills creativity" arguments are all rather uncreative.

No, you are given someone else vision of anything you want. If you are being 100 % honest with yourself, the output of a prompt would never be exactly what you imagined. This is where YOUR creativity dies. Yes, you create, but you create through the filter of someone else. If this ceiling of creativity is enough for you, good. You will never break through it anyway, by design.

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Post by vohk »

orbital-decay wrote: post #188
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #6

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

Yes, 99% of people are uncreative and use the creative freedom this way. Besides, many truly creative people won't even touch it, some because of the ethics and others because it's not up to their standard yet. Does it really look surprising to you? >AI video isn't "enabling people to be more creative," it is quite literally removing creativity from the process all together. That's quite a leap of thought and doesn't…

Put a different way, would you say Fiverr enables people to be more creative?

Using AI to create an artistic work has more in common with commissioning art than creating it. Just instead of a person, you're paying the owners of a machine built on theft because it's cheaper and more compliant. It isn't really your creativity on display, and it certainly isn't that of the model or the hosting company.

The smallest part of any creative work is the prompt. The blood and the soul of it live in overcoming the constraints and imperfections. Needing to learn how to sing or play an instrument isn't an impediment to making music, it's a fundamental aspect of the entire exercise.

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Post by WackyFighter »

dangus wrote: post #189
WackyFighter wrote: post #130

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> Sometimes a website that looks like shit does its job better than one that is finely crafted. It even better if it looks good and works well. You can make sites that do both.

If I have $500,000 I can buy a car that’s meticulously hand-crafted with hand-stitched leathers and fine woods in the interior with an engine built by hand by a single person. But I just need to get from point A to point B so I have a $10,000 used car.

Or you could get one with a better service history, the paint job and interior is in better condition, and it has the optional extras and a recent cam belt change for $12,000.

It depends whether you think the extra cost is worth it.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

Tallain wrote: post #88
narcindin wrote: post #73

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We call them DJ's and many are quite famous.

Do you honestly believe that DJs, particularly the very famous ones, just play CDs?

Discussions about "DJs" are difficult because there's a WIDE range of skills behind what we call a DJ.

Yes, some have zero skill and will basically just show up with a pre-determined Spotify playlist. They won't even have mixing/transitions between songs.

Some are in the middle and will be able to do basic transitions between songs (ie, just simple beat matching) and know how to carry a vibe.

At the far end of the spectrum are actual composers that are effectively making new mixes of songs on the fly.

And so you have the problem where someone says "Being a DJ takes a lot of skill" because they're thinking of the last category, while the person hearing that message replies with "How does it take skill to just press Play?" because they're thinking of the first.

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Post by uoaei »

rcbdev wrote: post #209
wincy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made my wife a song about how we met using Suno. It took me about 4 hours to get the lyrics just right, rewriting them (without AI help, it’s terrible with lyrics), plugging them in, seeing how they sounded, fixing them some more to get the verse so it sounded right. She thought it was really special and she cried as we listened to it while holding hands in the car. I can’t play guitar, and I can’t hit some notes w…

Grand Theft Auto V launched with auto-aim ('aimbot') as default in 2013. It is one of the most successful games in history, bringing joy to many people. Are you arguing that's not a real game because of this?

Yours is a bad faith argument based on an overly narrow pedantic acontextual definitional gripe. Not worth engaging.

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Post by AStrangeMorrow »

badsectoracula wrote: post #16

99% of everything is bad, so that unsurprisingly includes AI videos. But i've seen several good videos made using AI, including pretty much everything NeuralViz[0] on YouTube makes, but also some that have been posted in older comments here in HN. Igorrr's ADHD music video[1] was also made using AI and fit the music perfectly. The common aspect with these "good" uses though is that they do not let the AI do 99% of th…

Yeah I like NeuralViz too. Honestly the writing is what makes it funny in the first place. The AI imagery just adds that extra weirdness on top. Like my faves being the street interviews an the gluron that reviews the Zillow page etc
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