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All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by miltonlost »

drakythe wrote: post #124
solomonb wrote: post #51

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There are a bunch of these scifi world building short video channels now. IMO they all seem really creative initially but rapidly lose their luster and become repetitive. Sora makes the hard parts easy and the easy parts hard. I don't think any of these content producers will be remembered in the future. :/

Years and years ago I became friends with someone who has started a series of companies and created at least one game with each of them (Web, mobile, mobile, crypto, web again). While watching him I learned the lesson that being an "idea guy" is worthless. It is all about execution. His ideas are great, in my opinion, though perhaps not unique. However, each success or failure, has come down to the execution. A coupl…

Creativity is a series of small decisions over the course of the entire execution. To write a poem is not to have it fully-formed in your head. You go down and edit and see what turns up and what new interesting ideas come out of that.

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Post by dingnuts »

wincy wrote: post #137
pelotron wrote: post #21

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I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

I made my wife a song about how we met using Suno. It took me about 4 hours to get the lyrics just right, rewriting them (without AI help, it’s terrible with lyrics), plugging them in, seeing how they sounded, fixing them some more to get the verse so it sounded right. She thought it was really special and she cried as we listened to it while holding hands in the car. I can’t play guitar, and I can’t hit some notes w…

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Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by pembrook »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #134
pembrook wrote: post #94

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> 99% of the “creativity” is done by the AI…it's taken from other people's (creative) work. Yes, and prior to AI, 99% of creativity was also taken from other peoples work. This is how creativity works. Man has no ideas in a vacuum. As humans we take influences in from what we’ve seen and when we “create” things we’re simply combining things together, resulting in output falling somewhere on the spectrum from a 1:1 co…

Oh boy, it’s this again. You’re essentially admitting to having had no meaningful experiences in your entire life, as you’re incapable of imagining doing anything other than consuming content. Good art says something about the world, not other art.

How ironic that your response, "Good art says something about the world" is also just repeating a meme you've heard, a no-true-scotsman fallacy wrapped in an old cliche.

It's a meaningless, religious statement. Good art is impossible to define, and everything says something about the world.

I too can repeat tired memes to support my position, ie. Good artists copy, great artists steal.

The truth is, the process of creation starts with something called inspiration. Inspiration is theft. Again, man has no ideas in a vacuum.

As you believe you've led a far more interesting life than me (!), please cite some examples of what you believe to be "good" art. Then let's investigate how devoid of any influences it actually is.

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Post by zamadatix »

andyfilms1 wrote: post #58
simianwords wrote: post #44

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>However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. I don't get why this is a big deal? Like 99% of the creativity of taking a video of an ocean is also just taken from the nature. Your creativity was actually a small portion of "information" out o…

A video of an ocean (or anything) is not, inherently, art, or creative. But also...if you're taking a video of the ocean, it's probably because you want to capture/share a video of the ocean, which an AI generated video is not.

Unless you're making a very particular type of video, you likely want to capture aspects of the water's movement, color, sound, or interactions without much care about faithfully capturing a video of the literal ocean. The former part is a big portion of what turns a video of the ocean from not inherently being art to being as much of art as you make it so. Saying the only reason would be to share the literal ocean forces the art out, not in.

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Post by pton_xd »

wincy wrote: post #137
pelotron wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

I made my wife a song about how we met using Suno. It took me about 4 hours to get the lyrics just right, rewriting them (without AI help, it’s terrible with lyrics), plugging them in, seeing how they sounded, fixing them some more to get the verse so it sounded right. She thought it was really special and she cried as we listened to it while holding hands in the car. I can’t play guitar, and I can’t hit some notes w…

> 4 hours

That made me imagine -- in the future when AI is much more advanced, maybe I could just prompt it with say "something sentimental to make my wife cry." I mean, I still came up with the idea and ultimately it's the thought that counts right. What's the limit here? Is this some sort of human emotion exploit, or a legitimate bonding experience?

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Post by echelon »

NateEag wrote: post #186
echelon wrote: post #158

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AI music models are a tool. They're only as good as the person doing the steering and curation. I am a filmmaker. I have made photons-on-glass films for decades. I have always wanted to make big-budget sci-fi and fantasy films, as have my friends and colleges who went to film school. The barrier to entry is almost impossible to climb. Most of my friends wound up in IATSE or doing commercial work, but never had the ch…

As a longtime musician, I fervently believe in doing the best you can with the tools you have. As a programmer with a philosophical bent, I have thought a lot about the implications and ethics of toolmaking. I concluded long before genAI was available that it is absolutely possible to build tools that dehumanize the users and damage the world around them. It seems to me that LLMs do that to an unprecedented degree. I…

The Corridor Crew [1] are luminaries in our field, and they are incredibly bullish on this tech.

They've made dozens of essays and done tons of experiments showing that they think AI is going to be great for our field:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSRrSO7QhXY (scrub through the timelines to the end of these videos to see)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq5JaG53dho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUFlOynaUyk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVT3WUa-48Y

Listen to them.

Our entire industry pays attention to them, and they're right!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corridor_Digital

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Post by soiltype »

epolanski wrote: post #132
narcindin wrote: post #73

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We call them DJ's and many are quite famous.

DJs are rated on their ability to read the dancefloor and get people to dance.

Yes, well, that sounds exactly like the skillset of a meme creator in a slightly different form factor.

Most arguments against gen-AI are bad arguments - you can (and should) admit this even if you (like me) don't respect gen-AI.

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Post by standardly »

echelon wrote: post #158
lukan wrote: post #92

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The purpose of music is (usually) to touch people emotionally. If it works, it works. Doesn't matter how it was made. There is no cheating when there is feeling. Generic AI music so far does not touch me. I might tolerate it in the background, but I know there is great music being made with the help of AI. (Which is different from letting the AI do it all) An aimbot in competive playing is indeed cheating and sucks t…

AI music models are a tool. They're only as good as the person doing the steering and curation. I am a filmmaker. I have made photons-on-glass films for decades. I have always wanted to make big-budget sci-fi and fantasy films, as have my friends and colleges who went to film school. The barrier to entry is almost impossible to climb. Most of my friends wound up in IATSE or doing commercial work, but never had the ch…

I created a jazz fusion supergroup in Suno capable of impossibly tight jamming. I believe the synth player has 8 arms. I'm not even selling it as an output of my own creativity - even though I partially feel like it was - but rather, it was just fun to make! I had a ton of fun with it, even downloaded stems and mixed a lot in a DAW. I still LOL at how fresh some of it is. Suno rocks. Top 40 is garbage anyways, and the best music out right now are live bands, imo, so I don't feel that I'm encroaching on anyone else's artistic opportunity (hopefully) by doing these Suno projects.

That said, I haven't shown it to anyone... I'm not trying to make anyone mad. But what's the point of working on any music, AI or not, if nobody wants to hear it? This was a bit of a depressing realization for someone who was always fearful of letting anyone listen to my own actual music. It doesn't matter how much I piloted the prompt, or mixed down the stems, and how good the final result is, because at the end of the day, its just AI... I really don't know how to feel about the whole thing - there are legitimate arguments against AI for creative use, it's hard to not feel like a hypocrite or something for even using it..

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by hackable_sand »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #138
theappsecguy wrote: post #56

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I find the mental gymnastics like this around AI discourse really confusing. Taking a still video of the ocean isn't "creativity". And if a video of an ocean is truly creative it's likely not attributed to "nature".

Taking still photos of anything is widely considered a creative activity. There's usually only a small amount of creativity involved. Sometimes more. Same goes for AI generated anything. You can have low effort photos and high effort photos, low effort AI generated pictures and high-effort AI generated pictures. AI just lets you get a better result for less effort (for some definitions of "better"), just as a camera…

A camera doesn't produce a painting though. Your comment doesn't make any sense.
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