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All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by throwawayffffas »

simmerup wrote: post #70
throwawayffffas wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because these platforms did not massively affect voting patterns before AI generated videos were a thing?

Of course social media affected voting patterns AI is going to turbo charge that and allow fewer people (those with the wealth to buy the compute) to sway more opinions

While I don't disagree with your point.

My main point is that trying to educate people to spot AI videos is pointless, in a matter of months, years the output will be impossible to discern from real videos.

The central problem is the platforms and the wild west around disinformation campaigns. The AI is just an accelerant and we were on fire already.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by shinycode »

ggrantrowberry wrote: post #59
pelotron wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

I disagree. The point of playing a shooter game is to have fun and be competitive while abiding by the rules of the game. Using aimbot is circumventing the whole purpose. The purpose of making music is to make music. So why does it matter what tool you use to do it? Because tools like Logic or Garageband can create lots of sounds for you is that removing creativity? Really shouldn’t music be recorded with a live band…

People just enjoy and value the process of making music. Just like you could enjoy the process of drawing, or doing sports. Given the amount of talented musicians that do not live off their art, most of the time they value the process and the result and if other people like it too and pay for it it’s even better. Most music is not produced to give emotions to other but to the musician. It happens we share the same emotions that the musician sometimes. So if you remove the process or devalue it, it’s touching the artist in its heart and values because most of them worked on their craft for years.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by slowmovintarget »

pelotron wrote: post #21
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #6

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

Agree... AI enables output, not creativity. The mediocre confuse one for the other.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #6

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

I think there is some tenuous analog between today's AI, and yesteryear's music synthesizers and "modern art". Regarding music, I understand synthesizers were created to mimic real instruments, whereas artists used its capabilities not to mimic, but to create entirely new sounds. My limited understanding of modern art (and without a search I don't distinguish between expressionism, impressionism or any other isms because of my ignorance of the differences) is that it was a reaction to the modern world, and an expression of something that could not be anything other than a creation of the human mind. AI may be helping people to copy existing aesthetics, but I'm hoping/waiting for it to enable people to take it in a completely novel direction that can only be augmented human expression.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by dogleash »

andyfilms1 wrote: post #96
ggrantrowberry wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. The point of playing a shooter game is to have fun and be competitive while abiding by the rules of the game. Using aimbot is circumventing the whole purpose. The purpose of making music is to make music. So why does it matter what tool you use to do it? Because tools like Logic or Garageband can create lots of sounds for you is that removing creativity? Really shouldn’t music be recorded with a live band…

The purpose of eating is to ingest nutrients, but that's not why most chefs enjoy cooking, or why people pay more for nicer meals.

Come to think of it, AI Stans do remind me of people bending over backwards to justify how their Soylent farts made them more skilled at living life.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by alwa »

echelon wrote: post #158
lukan wrote: post #92

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The purpose of music is (usually) to touch people emotionally. If it works, it works. Doesn't matter how it was made. There is no cheating when there is feeling. Generic AI music so far does not touch me. I might tolerate it in the background, but I know there is great music being made with the help of AI. (Which is different from letting the AI do it all) An aimbot in competive playing is indeed cheating and sucks t…

AI music models are a tool. They're only as good as the person doing the steering and curation. I am a filmmaker. I have made photons-on-glass films for decades. I have always wanted to make big-budget sci-fi and fantasy films, as have my friends and colleges who went to film school. The barrier to entry is almost impossible to climb. Most of my friends wound up in IATSE or doing commercial work, but never had the ch…

I agree with you on pretty much all that you’ve said here. Thank you especially for the recommended viewing!

I wonder what happens, though, as the economics shift? It’ll be great, creatively speaking, for people who have a project inside them itching to get out into the world. Those were always the people who made the most interesting art anyway.

But viewership economics aren’t expanding in the same way. Same number of viewers, less patience for feature-length work, less willingness to pay.

If the status quo only generated enough money for an already-small universe of Hollywood professionals to feed their families through their creative work, what happens when even that withers?

Film school, it seems to me, is partly about the access to equipment and talent, but mostly about the time and community expectation to dedicate every waking hour to your creative project.

Art and commerce have always been awkward bedmates, but it makes me a little sad that the price for anyone being able to create is that ~none of them will be able to make money from their creative labor.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by erelong »

"All AI Videos are Harmful"

Obviously an incorrect statement?

I will grant that most AI-generated videos I've experienced seem like novelties... although they've generated plenty of "valuable" humor. Certainly not universal harm!

Give it time for the tool to be improved and for people to make better use of it?

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by lotsofpulp »

shinycode wrote: post #172
ggrantrowberry wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. The point of playing a shooter game is to have fun and be competitive while abiding by the rules of the game. Using aimbot is circumventing the whole purpose. The purpose of making music is to make music. So why does it matter what tool you use to do it? Because tools like Logic or Garageband can create lots of sounds for you is that removing creativity? Really shouldn’t music be recorded with a live band…

People just enjoy and value the process of making music. Just like you could enjoy the process of drawing, or doing sports. Given the amount of talented musicians that do not live off their art, most of the time they value the process and the result and if other people like it too and pay for it it’s even better. Most music is not produced to give emotions to other but to the musician. It happens we share the same em…

One person using more software to "make" music does not remove the process or devalue music for another person who wants to use less software to make music. Replace music with anything in this reasoning.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by oytis »

> Even the "harmless" AI videos contribute to a broader erosion of trust in visual media.

Frankly, the sooner we lose this trust the better. It's better to adjust our expectations than to stay vulnerable to manipulations

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