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All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by tracker1 »

booleandilemma wrote: post #49
ramoz wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think this for one ai you must think it for all. I can now instantly visualize anything I think of. That is creative power. The same for code - I can instantly scaffold a frontend I think of in google ai studio. Its not all great and I have to keep the slot machine spinning. But it's empowering. These "ai kills creativity" arguments are all rather uncreative.

Except you’re not the one doing the creating. It would be like me hiring an artist to execute my vision and then calling myself artistic. Empowering, maybe, but it’s closer to the illusion of power. You control a genie, but you don’t have the power yourself. And it’s worse than that, because in reality the genie is controlled by some mega corp, and not by you at all, and suddenly you need this genie to do all your th…

You mean like a movie/tv/music Producer?

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Post by keybored »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #6

One of the arguments I keep seeing from people churning out AI video is that the tech is enabling people "creative freedom" that's been made possible now even without the technical know how. However, 99% of the the "creativity" from what I've seen is done by the AI (how it should look, where the cuts need to happen, the tone, color grading, etc). Which is to say, it's taken from other people's (creative) work. While…

A lot of technological advancements (or use scare quotes here) that claimed to let “regular people” be creative just end up passifying us and relinquishing our creativity. Why play the guitar, the record player already does it better. Why learn to juggle, some kid in already does that.

Of course of course of course, people have been inspired by play in bands and to learn to juggle. But the trajectory seems to be to move away from small intimiate creative offerings, like playing music in your living room, to passively recieving Taylor Swift into your earbuds.

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Post by drakythe »

solomonb wrote: post #51
badsectoracula wrote: post #16

99% of everything is bad, so that unsurprisingly includes AI videos. But i've seen several good videos made using AI, including pretty much everything NeuralViz[0] on YouTube makes, but also some that have been posted in older comments here in HN. Igorrr's ADHD music video[1] was also made using AI and fit the music perfectly. The common aspect with these "good" uses though is that they do not let the AI do 99% of th…

There are a bunch of these scifi world building short video channels now. IMO they all seem really creative initially but rapidly lose their luster and become repetitive. Sora makes the hard parts easy and the easy parts hard. I don't think any of these content producers will be remembered in the future. :/

Years and years ago I became friends with someone who has started a series of companies and created at least one game with each of them (Web, mobile, mobile, crypto, web again). While watching him I learned the lesson that being an "idea guy" is worthless. It is all about execution. His ideas are great, in my opinion, though perhaps not unique. However, each success or failure, has come down to the execution. A couple of projects ran out of funding (Didn't execute fast enough). One was a flash game around the same time Apple stuck a knife in Flash, bad timing. Another was backed by a major publisher and was largely a success and the company was sold after 2 proven products shipped.

AI "democratizing" creativity is the biggest crock of lies. Everyone has ideas. Even people who aren't typically thought of as "creative". Ask anyone who watched the last season of Game of Thrones if they thought it could be better and I bet most of them will have "ideas" for how to make it better. Hell, the show runners had IDEAS. But the execution of season 8 was awful, and execution is where an "idea guy" becomes someone who created a product/story worth remembering.

LLMs remove the execution process, which is why they are so attractive to everyone who has ever had an idea and why they are abhorrent to nearly everyone who has ever executed on an idea. Lots of people thin execution is just busy work, but execution is also a major component of being creative.

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Post by tracker1 »

miltonlost wrote: post #116
tracker1 wrote: post #107

Not sure how much of this is AI vs other techniques, though it's definitely AI as part of the toolset. But I think the result speaks for itself, it's absolutely impressive the work that has come out. I can only say, that the work that went into this video is definitely real, and I'm happy to see more of this, as opposed to "AI Slop" that we're mostly seeing so far. https://youtu.be/SGJC4Hnz3m0?si=J_8gsXEx4-cL3Mc9

I wonder how Mark Hammill likes that they reused his likeness without permission. Seems emblematic of the larger problems with AI stealing whatever. Very ghoulish..

No idea... since Disney/Lucas already did this in Mandalorean, I'm sure he's open to the idea of it. In the specific instance, a non-commercial fan film, who knows.

The fact that Disney/Lucas and others have already done so with dead actors, I'm not sure that fan films are any worse.

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Post by badsectoracula »

solomonb wrote: post #51
badsectoracula wrote: post #16

99% of everything is bad, so that unsurprisingly includes AI videos. But i've seen several good videos made using AI, including pretty much everything NeuralViz[0] on YouTube makes, but also some that have been posted in older comments here in HN. Igorrr's ADHD music video[1] was also made using AI and fit the music perfectly. The common aspect with these "good" uses though is that they do not let the AI do 99% of th…

There are a bunch of these scifi world building short video channels now. IMO they all seem really creative initially but rapidly lose their luster and become repetitive. Sora makes the hard parts easy and the easy parts hard. I don't think any of these content producers will be remembered in the future. :/

More than half of my YouTube subscriptions are channels that once posted neat stuff and stopped - and most of them are from years ago. And before that i was into webcomics back when they were a popular online trend, i was following the updates of several of them and most of them have disappeared these days (and i don't even remember their names).

People stop doing things all the time, i'm not sure that means much.

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Post by WackyFighter »

SoftTalker wrote: post #119
WackyFighter wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Under your logic someone playing a CD is a musician. No. That isn't my logic at all. > Just pasting a rehashed joke as a genAI video prompt is not much of a creative process. That isn't what is happening. What people are doing is taking people from different online streaming shows, making new content based on jokes made on those show and turning them into music videos, which are usually a cover of a well known song…

Any time something is made easier and you get more of it, it becomes worth less. There might be a claim that there is still some human creativity involved, maybe. But it's sort of like amateurs at an open mic night telling memorized jokes that they didn't write compared to a comedian who has spent thousands of hours perfecting stories, jokes, punch lines, timing, and phrasing.

> Any time something is made easier and you get more of it, it becomes worth less.

That is only the case with commodities. Not creative works and/or entertainment.

> But it's sort of like amateurs at an open mic night telling memorized jokes that they didn't write compared to a comedian who has spent thousands of hours perfecting stories, jokes, punch lines, timing, and phrasing.

Often these amateurs are often funnier than the professionals. However that of course is subjective.

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Post by its-summertime »

> Or it's indirectly harmful by training us to accept a synthetic reality where nothing can be trusted and everything must be questioned.

Good. Its beneficial, I'd think. Lies are not new, the amount of lies, probably not new either.

I don't think we have (yet) reached a level of badness compared to the prior point of tobacco companies telling people around the world that cigarettes have medical benefits.

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Post by kcatskcolbdi »

> Or it's indirectly harmful by training us to accept a synthetic reality where nothing can be trusted and everything must be questioned.

I do find myself questioning the premise that accepting a 'synthetic reality where nothing can be trusted' is automatically bad. I've long felt that everyone took what they saw on the internet at face value when they should not. I do hope that injecting enough chaos into the system can force people to question their intake more consistently.

Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by WackyFighter »

dangus wrote: post #98
bicepjai wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have another example. Web development. Dealing with css and designing exact objects or elements in websites was a pain meaning needs technical expertise, time and good idea to be expressed. LLMs made it easier. Still the website created by a dilettante can never compete with one from a creative mind.

Can’t compete in what way? Popularity? Views? Revenue? Profitability? Reader satisfaction? Sometimes a website that looks like shit does its job better than one that is finely crafted. Berkshire Hathaway has a text only website with no CSS at all.

> Sometimes a website that looks like shit does its job better than one that is finely crafted.

It even better if it looks good and works well. You can make sites that do both.

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