Offshore the datacenters (no jobs). Keep any manufacturing (some jobs). Problem solved.
Jensen: 'We've done our country a great disservice' by offshoring
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#12Ross Perot in 1992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRr60nmDyu4
We have shipped millions of jobs overseas, and ... a strange situation, we have a process in Washington where after you serve for a while, you can cash in, become a foreign lobbyist.
We have got to stop sending jobs overseas.
You're paying 12, 13, 14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the Border, pay a dollar an hour for your labor, have no health care. That's the most expensive single element making a car. Have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement and you don't care about anything but making money.
There will be a giant sucking sound going south.
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#13He is not causally connecting "AI" with industry and manufacturing here. Building data centers isn't manufacturing. He says in this piece that energy production needs to come first, and manufacturing later and not the other way around. Is he saying that AI will require building out energy production and the increased energy production will be used for... manufacturing? But it'll be used for the data centers.
What, exactly, is the kind of manufacturing he's envisioning AI will bring? He's not saying. Is it perchance weapons systems? It's weapons isn't it[1].
That will only make sense if we go back in time a few decades and some assholes instigate more wars and global destabilization, because manufacturing weapons and stockpiling them is pretty pointless and resource ineffective otherwise. We know this from before.
Or is he saying chips? So is he against offshoring all chip manufacturing to TSMC? That's basically been a huge part of continued security guarantees (if you can call them that when they are unproven), and also he's Taiwanese isn't he? I don't get it.
Now, one of my errors here could be that I'm trying to make sense of the things Jensen Huang says, because he rambles incoherently quite a lot, after all, to such a degree I am not sure he's "entirely there".
[1]: https://www.war.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4370464/se...
Re: Jensen: 'We've done our country a great disservice' by offshoring
#14I always ask who the "we" is in statements like this? Is it self critique or just a way of saying we are all at fault you better don't focus on me.
From reading the article and having listened/read a lot from Jensen and his ilk, I feel pretty comfortable saying the "we" is referring to the system we have built in the US. Basically the era of free trade. He and Trump and that group generally think we made a mistake by allowing free trade, and the solution is to "force" that away with a mix of taxes (tariffs), laws, incentives (subsidies/grants/etc) and others.
This is a summary FTA, not a direct quote from Jensen, but it's a pretty good one IMHO:
> In a recent speech, Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang outlined his plan for bringing manufacturing jobs back to America: force companies to build AI infrastructure in America.
Re: Jensen: 'We've done our country a great disservice' by offshoring
#15Offshore the datacenters (no jobs). Keep any manufacturing (some jobs). Problem solved.
Data centers provide jobs. Not as many as manufacturing, but the difference isn't as large as you would guess. A modern data center needs 50-100 people to repair/replace hardware, maintain the generators and such. A modern factory needs 200-500 people to do the assembly, shipping, and other such work that isn't automated.
Of course if labor is cheap you can use a non-automated factory and then you will have 2000-10000 people needed. However those are not coming back to the US (or Europe).
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#16Please let me put a data center in your back yard. Please just one more I promise the chat bots will help you email faster please bro AGI is just around the corner I promise it wont be an exponential multiplier on wealth concentration.
In quite a few places in the rural US (especially the mountain west), people are asking for that. Those companies usually build out a lot of needed infrastructue (power, water, even roads) as part of the deal, and it provides job opportunities (a ton up front, and some (though fewer than many people realize[1]) in perpetuity).
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#17I always ask who the "we" is in statements like this? Is it self critique or just a way of saying we are all at fault you better don't focus on me.
From reading the article and having listened/read a lot from Jensen and his ilk, I feel pretty comfortable saying the "we" is referring to the system we have built in the US. Basically the era of free trade. He and Trump and that group generally think we made a mistake by allowing free trade, and the solution is to "force" that away with a mix of taxes (tariffs), laws, incentives (subsidies/grants/etc) and others. Th…
I highly doubt he really thinks that, but it pays to say so in public.
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#18Is he going into politics or something…
All leadership positions are “into politics”. His just happens to be one influential enough to matter to the US federal government.
Re: Jensen: 'We've done our country a great disservice' by offshoring
#19Ross Perot in 1992 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRr60nmDyu4 We have shipped millions of jobs overseas, and ... a strange situation, we have a process in Washington where after you serve for a while, you can cash in, become a foreign lobbyist. We have got to stop sending jobs overseas. You're paying 12, 13, 14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the Border, pay a dollar an hour for yo…
Indeed, this was one of the first things I thought of too. I remember well the jokes about Perot being crazy, frequently used to dismiss his views. I'll never forget talking with an educated Perot voter (a friend of mine) at the time and actually being confronted with the real views, not a shallow strawman, and realizing I didn't have any good answers because I hadn't actually thought about it. That was a good maturation point for me when I started realizing the power (and danger) of bubbles.
Re: Jensen: 'We've done our country a great disservice' by offshoring
#20Ross Perot in 1992 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRr60nmDyu4 We have shipped millions of jobs overseas, and ... a strange situation, we have a process in Washington where after you serve for a while, you can cash in, become a foreign lobbyist. We have got to stop sending jobs overseas. You're paying 12, 13, 14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the Border, pay a dollar an hour for yo…
Fatten up the pig, then carve it can you fatten it up again?
American leaders lost hope in Americas ability to build the future. They decided this was as good as it's going to get and squoze the people at every level with unproductive IT, bureaucracy, consumerism. This country doesn't have a workforce capable of building the future anymore, it's dropouts and druggies the lot of them.