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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by richrichardsson »

teddy-smith wrote: post #90
core2quad wrote: post #85

Funnily enough, I find icons an improvement overall - even if those are inconsistent, it feels like it gives me more points to anchor my eyes on when skimming through an unknown menu and gives me any context. Starting to use Mac ~3 years ago, I often encountered giant blocks of text in right-click menus and while pleasing aesthetically, those were a chore to actually parse. For someone who daily drives macOS for, I a…

I don't even look at them, they're just visual clutter to me.

^ This.

I couldn't quite formulate the exact reason why I disliked the Tahoe menus compared to previous versions, but this article nailed it.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by bauerd »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #247

It's hard to justify Liquid Glass in general. The wastefulness of flat design (in terms of space) married with the visual excess of skeuomorphism, but without even providing any affordances (does the sidebar being raised give you any new information on how to use a sidebar? No). If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures, you owe it to yourself to have some love for your craft. If a PM tells yo…

It’s not how you get promoted though. Plus implementing complex UIs is challenging which engineers like. The incentives are off.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by Noaidi »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #247

It's hard to justify Liquid Glass in general. The wastefulness of flat design (in terms of space) married with the visual excess of skeuomorphism, but without even providing any affordances (does the sidebar being raised give you any new information on how to use a sidebar? No). If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures, you owe it to yourself to have some love for your craft. If a PM tells yo…

Alan Dye ruined everything at Apple, no idea how he clung on for so long. You know he designed the horrible ios7 as well?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSzjcVZXolc

https://tjkelly.com/blog/ios-7-sucks/

And he also takes credit for the dynamic island. It is an assault on my senses to see everything constantly moving around on my screen.

I have been working with Macs since 1995, but this year is my first using Pixel with GrapheneOS, that is how done I am with Apple. Unfortunately I know the UI will not change for years and I just could not take it.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by reddalo »

JaggerJo wrote: post #119

Good that Alan Dye is no longer at apple. Liquid Glass on macOS is a mass. The icons, the floating side menus, the inconsistent corners, the new tabs in Safari.. On iOS it's totally fine, but on macOS it's a disaster. I've only updated one machine so far and will keep all others on Sequoia until this mess is resolved.

>will keep all others on Sequoia until this mess is resolved

Good for you, unless Apple changes its mind my MBPro from 2019 will be stuck on Tahoe forever.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by [deleted] »

ziml77 wrote: post #226
throwaway_ab wrote: post #8

It's hard to justify snowflake animations on your website...

It's easy to justify: it's cute. Just like the other options up at the top. If you click the sun it turns out the lights and turns your cursor into a flashlight. And it has an actual hamburger as the icon for the menu.

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #247

It's hard to justify Liquid Glass in general. The wastefulness of flat design (in terms of space) married with the visual excess of skeuomorphism, but without even providing any affordances (does the sidebar being raised give you any new information on how to use a sidebar? No). If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures, you owe it to yourself to have some love for your craft. If a PM tells yo…

The only "real" justification is that this is a long term play to figure out a UI and interaction shift that will work for general augmented reality devices (aka whatever device Apple releases five years and two iterations from now based on the Vision Pro.)

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by badsectoracula »

liveoneggs wrote: post #171
safety1st wrote: post #15

It's pretty wild how the best screenshot of a usable menu is from, like, Office 2000. What the hell have we been doing for the past 25 years?

Check out this actual book that used to come with a computer about how to use the desktop: https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/806-4743/806-4743.pdf

And modern desktops do not even documentation, there are all sorts of shortcuts and small features in Windows, for example, that seem to be passed around between people like computer game cheats instead of being documented somewhere :-P

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by soapdog »

That article almost made me cry. I was reading the NewtonOS 2.0 Human Interface Guidelines yesterday and it was so clear, so well-thought. The mess we find ourselves into in macOS Tahoe is impossible to excuse. I have no idea how that got out of the door.
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