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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#102

It seems like Apple's hardware design is universally loved with much acclaim, why is their software getting progressively worse? It's not Microsoft-add-all-the-bloatware-and-adverts-we-can worse, but it's 20-year-old-operating-systems-were-better-designed worse. We're getting to a point where I think Linux windowing systems like KDE are better designed. And it seems that all they had to do was not change much over th…

Maybe Apple just got so many things right early on, then the people with experience slowly left and inexperienced people kept showing up and they felt compelled to keep making changes to justify their jobs. How do they justify their job if they can't roll out huge visible changes? So they rationalize whatever change they wanna make and keep advocating for it until they get the green light, regardless of whether or not it's a good idea. The best part is that cleaning up this mess will probably lead to a whole bunch of promotions, even if just ends up circling back to what they should've already known.

I think a lot of key lessons that were studied and learned back in the day weren't adequately transferred to the new generation.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#103
post #54

This isn't the only aspect of Tahoe that seems amateurishly designed by someone following "wrong rules", the wrong rule here being "for consistency, let's assign an icon to every action. Another wrong rules I've seen blindly followed is making everything an edge-to-edge canvas, so that the sidebar floats on top. Having a full-window canvas with floating sidebars can make sense for applications where content is expans…

but being too lazy to even globally coordinate the icons is some deep rot.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#104
Have to say, it’s quite wild to me that one of the design blunders of macOS Tahoe could be a pages long blog post.

I’d actually forgotten about the menu icons in Tahoe (I tried Tahoe during the beta period and lasted less than a day) and at first thought this would just be a pretty short piece on Tahoe’s new application icons.

Going back to the article though: another amusing detail is that the one menu where having icons is actually helpful (the Move & Resize menu) actually had those icons before Tahoe.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#105

Tahoe and Liquid Glass™ solidified for me the idea that Apple completely dropped the ball when it comes to design. Clearly they needed an a-hole in charge, Jobs would've crucified a few people. It's painful to see the decay, update after update, into a more confusing, cluttered, and tacky experience.

Steve Jobs died 14 years ago. If we're attributing this to those in charge, Jony Ive's departure is much more correlated.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#106
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you can't, it just turns the background yellow. EDIT: the snow stops _but after a few seconds_. I toggled it to find out if it would turn off the snow, and the immediate feedback was that it doesn't. That's really _really_ bad UX.

It's a fun little winter feature. People need to give it a break. fwiw I went through the whole article with the snow effect on and found it just fine too.

I get the site has a frivolous feel, which I do like. And there's no problem with snow if you can turn it off. But it _seems_ like you can't turn the snow off, at which point it does become annoying.

And it's actually making a serious point about something I care about, so I actually wanted to read the article (which I did through the snow).

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#107
post #27
post #2

I hate to be that guy, but there's some irony in putting a full screen animated snow effect over an article about unnecessary, distracting clutter.

If you hate to be that guy, why did you decide to be that guy?

So that the role is occupied already

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#109

It seems like Apple's hardware design is universally loved with much acclaim, why is their software getting progressively worse? It's not Microsoft-add-all-the-bloatware-and-adverts-we-can worse, but it's 20-year-old-operating-systems-were-better-designed worse. We're getting to a point where I think Linux windowing systems like KDE are better designed. And it seems that all they had to do was not change much over th…

To be fair, they also made several infamous hardware design choices back in 2016, all of which they’ve later reverted.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

#110

It's hard to justify snowflake animations on your website...

Came here to say the same. Not only is it redundant and distracting, destroying the reading experience, it even makes the fucking fan turn on and make noise because apparently it’s a lot of work for the video card. A presentation of valid arguments destroyed by something completely superfluous and ironically the same kind of stupidity that’s the target of the criticism made.
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