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Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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I have a tab on sublimetext that has been opened since the pandemic and I think it's safe to share my idea since I'm not gonna do it. *4KB webpage files* So a website where each page does not exceed 4KB. This includes whatever styling and navigation needed. Surprisingly you can share a lot of information even with such constraints. Bare bone html is surprisingly compact and the browser already does a whole lot of the…

Not all the way down to 4KB, but https://512kb.club/ matches this vibe

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Several news sites offer text only versions. https://lite.cnn.com/ https://text.npr.org/ https://wttr.in/ More listed at https://greycoder.com/a-list-of-text-only-new-sites It’d be great if there was some standard that allowed these to be easily found, and supported on the local news sites.

I looked at a CNN "lite" article, and it includes 560KB of stuff (lots and lots of CSS declarations) in addition to the actual 11KB of article content.

Ever tried a TUI browser like lynx?

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Universal design" or "design for accessibility" will give you lots of examples of constraints that are not "commonly" needed ending up having much wider application and benefiting many other people. Some oft-cited examples are curb cuts (the sloped ramps cut into curbs for sidewalk access) and closed-captioning (useful in noisy bars or at home with a sleeping baby). There are many examples from the web where designi…

Ah, this raises 2 important nuances: - How severe is the impact, and - How close is the default state to the constraint Kerb cuts help everyone. Kids, the elderly, disabled people, and anyone distracted by their phone are all less likely to fall on their face and lose a tooth. Web accessibility helps websites go from unusable for disabled people, to usable. On the other hand, when a dev puts a website on a diet it mi…

Google has done Google-scale traffic analysis and determined that even a 100ms delay has noticeable impacts on user retention. If a website takes more than 3 seconds to load, over 50% of visitors will bail. To say that there is no payoff for optimization is categorically incorrect.

The incentives are there. Web developers are just, on average, extremely bad at their jobs. The field has been made significantly more accessible than it was in decades past, but the problem with accessibility is that it enables people who have no fundamental understanding of programming to kitbash libraries together like legos and successfully publish websites. They can't optimize even if they tried, and the real problem for the rest of us is they can't secure user data even if they try.

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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> As a web developer, I am thinking again about my experience with the mobile web on the day after the storm

In some villages, where plenty of stone is available, people used it for everything - roof slabs, pillars, walls, flooring, water storage bowls etc. Also, villages which had plenty of wood around, they used it for everything.

As techies, we say there is an app for everything, or there is a web-technology for everything. When you have a hammer in hand, everything looks like a nail.

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose I meant more of a best practice - if every news site could be found at the subdomain of lite.XYZ.com, or perhaps some way for the browser to request specifically no images or styles, it’d be easier for the end user to find. RSS is a good point that I didn’t consider. Although it tends to be a summary and hyperlink to the main site.

It’s too bad that WML from WAP is not used anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Markup_Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Application_Protocol WML pages had mostly text and hyperlinks from what I remember and even though it supported images too I think most such basic pages would be readable even if you turned image loading off.

I spent so much time tuning the WAP site for the forum I worked for back in 2008.

I had some sort of Nokia running on whatever 2kbps networking was going then, and would shave absolutely anything I could to make the forums load slightly faster.

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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I built a connection to a web-powered LLM over SMS/iMessage for literally this purpose. While traveling I’d have really bad or sparse service but still needed to find my way around.

That’s neat - have you considered publishing it?

Doesn’t ChatGPT have WhatsApp access?

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Several news sites offer text only versions. https://lite.cnn.com/ https://text.npr.org/ https://wttr.in/ More listed at https://greycoder.com/a-list-of-text-only-new-sites It’d be great if there was some standard that allowed these to be easily found, and supported on the local news sites.

In the Netherlands the public broadcaster still publishes news through Teletekst:

https://tweakers.net/reviews/11700/hoe-werkt-het-vernieuwde-...

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

#90

I built a connection to a web-powered LLM over SMS/iMessage for literally this purpose. While traveling I’d have really bad or sparse service but still needed to find my way around.

I use WhatsApp's built-in LLM to read news when I'm on long flights that only give messenger access. It's great
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