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Ask HN: What startups are highly profitible but VCs won't touch?

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Re: Ask HN: What startups are highly profitible but VCs won't touch?

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Sheer speculation: porn and gambling.

Gambling seems like a no go because of legalities in the US, but there's a huge gambling technology sector in the EU and UK where it's legal.

What about APIs/SDKs like Betable? I know it's a UK based company, but does this allow others outside of UK to legally use it (ex. in the US?)

Re: Ask HN: What startups are highly profitible but VCs won't touch?

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There's a subtle reason why VCs will avoid certain kinds of businesses that is not clear until you are inside the sausage factory, which is that your LPs (investors) are sensitive to bad perception and publicity. Specifically your sponsor within an LP such as an endowment or foundation reports to an Investment Committee which is typically extremely conservative. In the worst case, you could put your sponsor's career at risk in their own profession.

Re: Ask HN: What startups are highly profitible but VCs won't touch?

#13
pg and pmarca (so cool that you comment on HN, looking forward to your first submission) hit it on the head.

Regulatory uncertainty can cause difficulties investing in certain sectors that might prove quite profitable.

Lastly, I would note that profitability as an isolated metric is not a perfect indicator of future success. I can find a link if people are interested, but in his latest book Robert Shiller discusses firms that created some special financial products in the late 90s. The products were effectively betting on black swan events happening at a certain time. They ensured a high annual IRR but then if the event didn't occur their investors were left holding the bag. What made the idea profitable for the firms was that LPs that invested in years 4-6 did so based on IRR, without examining things in detail and effectively overpaid for a piece.

Re: Ask HN: What startups are highly profitible but VCs won't touch?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gambling seems like a no go because of legalities in the US, but there's a huge gambling technology sector in the EU and UK where it's legal.

What about APIs/SDKs like Betable? I know it's a UK based company, but does this allow others outside of UK to legally use it (ex. in the US?)

Yes. https://developers.betable.com/#why-its-legal

Re: Ask HN: What startups are highly profitible but VCs won't touch?

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post #3

VCs are often forbidden by their agreements with their LPs to invest in certain types of business. I forget what they are exactly, but it's not simply a matter of taboos.

Thanks for the quick response pg, would you say in addition to being bound legally, there is a cultural bias against certain types of businesses (assume fully legal)?

If your target market is government / army / municipal, most VCs won't touch it. Those that will touch it, tend to deal exclusively with that kind of stuff, and don't hang out with the rest of the VC crowd.

The reason is, sale cycles are so long and so different from anything else, that it doesn't fit with their view of the world. (And if you try to sell to governments without being aware of that, you are going to fail).

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the quick response pg, would you say in addition to being bound legally, there is a cultural bias against certain types of businesses (assume fully legal)?

If your target market is government / army / municipal, most VCs won't touch it. Those that will touch it, tend to deal exclusively with that kind of stuff, and don't hang out with the rest of the VC crowd. The reason is, sale cycles are so long and so different from anything else, that it doesn't fit with their view of the world. (And if you try to sell to governments without being aware of that, you are going to fa…

That's an interesting one because I see the govt procurement market as being overwrought, inefficient, and ripe for disruption. Are there ways to breakthrough given how much of the GDP is driven by spending in government & military?

Short story, in-law works for major city parks department and as we walked through the park, she tells me that they have to buy certain trash cans that cost $10,000 each. These are not special high-tech trash cans, they are concrete ones that have stones in them. I know they are heavy duty but it would be a weekend project for some DIY'ers. Why are we letting firms get away with ripping us off (since we the taxpayers foot the bill)?

Re: Ask HN: What startups are highly profitible but VCs won't touch?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your target market is government / army / municipal, most VCs won't touch it. Those that will touch it, tend to deal exclusively with that kind of stuff, and don't hang out with the rest of the VC crowd. The reason is, sale cycles are so long and so different from anything else, that it doesn't fit with their view of the world. (And if you try to sell to governments without being aware of that, you are going to fa…

That's an interesting one because I see the govt procurement market as being overwrought, inefficient, and ripe for disruption. Are there ways to breakthrough given how much of the GDP is driven by spending in government & military? Short story, in-law works for major city parks department and as we walked through the park, she tells me that they have to buy certain trash cans that cost $10,000 each. These are not sp…

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Re: Ask HN: What startups are highly profitible but VCs won't touch?

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post #3

VCs are often forbidden by their agreements with their LPs to invest in certain types of business. I forget what they are exactly, but it's not simply a matter of taboos.

Thanks for the quick response pg, would you say in addition to being bound legally, there is a cultural bias against certain types of businesses (assume fully legal)?

Maybe. I can't be sure because I can't remember exactly what the LPs forbid.

There have been startups we didn't fund because they seemed like they'd be bad for the world.

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