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Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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It will be pretty amusing to watch all those westerners who, not so long ago, were talking about "rules based order" pretend nothing is happening or to justify it.

If the last 2 years of Gaza genocide didn't do that, I'm n not sure why this would. They'll spend the first 20 minutes talking about how bad Maduro is and the next 5 minutes saying this is "misguided" and didn't go through the proper channels.

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post #82

As someone old enough to have seen the US invade too many countries, I'm struck by the lack of effort put into justifying this sort of military action these days. There is going to be a lot of debate over whether this specific operation was legal and I have no idea where the courts or history will ultimately land on that decision. But the way they don't even try to convince us this is necessary anymore is a sign that…

>these days

Panama and Granada in the 80s weren't that fundamentally different. And before that US had a very long history of invading or intervening in Latin American countries due to various often dubious reasons.

If anything the last few decades might have been the exception.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Damn. And no large-scale military activity in play.

I hardly see how this could be considered anything but an absolute win, especially where Maduro has been considered being more and more authoritarian, rejecting democracy, and probably would've been willing to sacrifice thousands of lives in a ground war if this increasing threat was handled less finely.

Add to this the fact that Venezuela has crazy amounts of oil BUT a totally mismanaged and badly exploited extraction operation and the economy is in the toilet. Unless this somehow leads in to a Libya situation, everyone could benefit from this, compared to the hopelessness of the past.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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post #5

It will be pretty amusing to watch all those westerners who, not so long ago, were talking about "rules based order" pretend nothing is happening or to justify it.

Rapist presidents have no authority to defend 'rules based order'. Were you also ok with him defending 'rules based order' by arming Israel as they committed genocide? Or when he committed war crimes by blowing up the boats over the last few months?

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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post #263

Damn. And no large-scale military activity in play. I hardly see how this could be considered anything but an absolute win, especially where Maduro has been considered being more and more authoritarian, rejecting democracy, and probably would've been willing to sacrifice thousands of lives in a ground war if this increasing threat was handled less finely. Add to this the fact that Venezuela has crazy amounts of oil B…

> this increasing threat

What threat? There is no threat to the US from Venezuela. This is another Banana war.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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post #264

Last month the US president pardoned a Honduran politician who had been sentenced to 45 years in prison for trafficking 400 tons of cocaine into America. Whatever is behind this attack, it has nothing to do with drugs.

It must be about oil.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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post #264

Last month the US president pardoned a Honduran politician who had been sentenced to 45 years in prison for trafficking 400 tons of cocaine into America. Whatever is behind this attack, it has nothing to do with drugs.

I believe it's well established that it is primarily about gaining access to the vast oil reserves.

It's the new world order preached by Russia and supported by the BRICS.

The difference is that the US has the resources to play this game ruthlessly and effectively for the most part.

The coherent BRICS reply should be "we pray there's peace".

This is scary stuff.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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post #60

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You're obviously just trolling. The US is still a solid democracy - a country you disagree with, sure. In a couple years Trump will be out and life goes on. As for Maduro, he's a dictator - he needed to go. He works closely with Iran, Russia and with China doing very nefarious things.

I agree however that Trump is largely self centered and this is a risk. Oil should not be the goal here, it should be the freedom of the Venezuelans.

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