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Satellite burns up following SpaceX rocket glitch

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Re: Satellite burns up following SpaceX rocket glitch

#21
Did the satellite self-destruct or something? The article seems to imply the rocket and payload reached its first goal orbit of 202 miles (to deliver another separate payload to the ISS).

At that altitude, while short of the 466 miles desired, it still should have taken months or years for the orbit to decay and re-enter the atmosphere!

Re: Satellite burns up following SpaceX rocket glitch

#22

Did the satellite self-destruct or something? The article seems to imply the rocket and payload reached its first goal orbit of 202 miles (to deliver another separate payload to the ISS). At that altitude, while short of the 466 miles desired, it still should have taken months or years for the orbit to decay and re-enter the atmosphere!

The primary objective was to reach the ISS, which it did successfully. From there, it was to launch the satellite. From the article:

> To ensure the station's safety, the agreement with NASA prohibited Space Exploration Technologies, or SpaceX as the privately-held California-based company is known, from restarting the rocket's second stage - needed to deliver Orbcomm's satellite to its proper orbit - if there was not at least a 99 percent chance that the rocket had enough fuel to complete the burn, said SpaceX spokeswoman Katherine Nelson.

Because there was less than a 99% chance of success, SpaceX followed procedures and did not attempt to launch the satellite.

Re: Satellite burns up following SpaceX rocket glitch

#23

Did the satellite self-destruct or something? The article seems to imply the rocket and payload reached its first goal orbit of 202 miles (to deliver another separate payload to the ISS). At that altitude, while short of the 466 miles desired, it still should have taken months or years for the orbit to decay and re-enter the atmosphere!

Altitude alone isn't enough for orbit - it also needs sufficient velocity in the right direction, which presumably it didn't have.

A stationary object placed 466 miles above the earth would just fall down.

Re: Satellite burns up following SpaceX rocket glitch

#24

Did the satellite self-destruct or something? The article seems to imply the rocket and payload reached its first goal orbit of 202 miles (to deliver another separate payload to the ISS). At that altitude, while short of the 466 miles desired, it still should have taken months or years for the orbit to decay and re-enter the atmosphere!

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Re: Satellite burns up following SpaceX rocket glitch

#25
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > "Orbcomm understood from the beginning that the orbit-raising maneuver was tentative," Nelson wrote. "They accepted that there was a high risk of their satellite remaining at the Dragon insertion orbit. SpaceX would not have agreed to fly their satellite otherwise, since this was not part of the core mission and there was a known, material risk of no altitude raise." High risk, to me, says that th…

The beginning being as soon as they knew their satellite had been deposited well below the desired altitude. If the F9 engine hadn't failed, they wouldn't have needed to do an orbit raising maneuver at all and there would have been no risk of the satellite deorbiting.

A orbit raising maneuver was always necessary to get the satellite to its target. Relevant sections:

> "Orbcomm had planned on reaching an altitude of 466 miles above Earth..."

> "Due to the engine shutdown, the Falcon 9 used slightly more fuel and oxygen to reach Dragon's intended 202 mile- (325-km) high orbit. Over the next 2.5 days, Dragon flew itself to the station's orbit 250 miles above Earth. It reached the $100 billion outpost, a project of 15 countries, on Wednesday."

Initial Dragon Orbit: 202 miles above Earth

ISS: 250 miles above Earth

Desired Satellite Location: 466 miles above Earth

There was only a 95% chance of the rocket reaching the location 466 miles above Earth (due to the reduced fuel reserves), so they didn't perform the burn, because NASA's contract with them forbade it (had to be >=99% chance of success).

Re: Satellite burns up following SpaceX rocket glitch

#26
Failure is a part of every human activity worth pursuing. What we do when we fail is what defines us. Looking at the big picture, this mission was nothing but a success. Unless I am wrong, this is the first privately built rocket to deliver cargo to the Space Station. Right? And they achieved this while loosing one engine. High five!

It sounds like everyone involved with the Satellite portion of the mission knew full-well what the risks were and that they had no priority over the main mission. Insurance covered it. Done deal. All is well.

SpaceX can only get better from here. Kudos.

Re: Satellite burns up following SpaceX rocket glitch

#27
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Note to self: Don't start a space mission insurance company.

If you don't have enough capital to take a few hits, don't start any kind of insurance company. If you do have the money, though, it should be the same basic principle as any other insurance company: calculate the risk as best you can, and charge accordingly so that the expected value of your profit is as positive as the market will bear.
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