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If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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Re: If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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I meditate while walking my dogs or taking a shower. Unless you are trying to achieve the title of Zen Grandmaster (which you probably are not) there is no need to sit still while doing so.

I think you are on to something here, but there is a difference between doing something relaxing and "meditating". I'm most relaxed while sitting on the pot and I get my best insights while taking a shower, but during neither of those am I meditating (in the zen sense).

A Zen Grandmaster can probably meditate while rollerblading through NYC and simultaneously debugging a kernel driver. For beginners, it helps to sit relatively still with eyes closed (or eyes focused on eg a candle, tree, waterfall etc. but not darting about), to chant or use beads to count breaths, etc.

Re: If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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> Meditation is the focused practice of resisting distraction. Are we defining it this way? Because this does not jive with my experience of meditation, focusing, or resisting distraction. > Have you ever tried sitting still for 15-30 minutes, doing nothing but breathing? Yes. As a matter of fact, meditation was part of a martial arts practice I participated in for 2 years. In all that time I tried very hard to do th…

Are you familiar with the 10,000 Hour Rule? It says that the mastery of any skill requires 10k hours of deliberate practice of that skill. Meditation is the act of deliberately practicing and developing one's ability to resist distraction. The hypothesis is as simple as "Telling jokes is a good way to become funny". Would you demand empirical evidence to support that claim as well? It might be difficult to find resea…

> The hypothesis is as simple as "Telling jokes is a good way to become funny"

Right. So practicing meditation is a good way to become better at meditation. There's no guarantee that that skill transfers over to very different situations.

I'm not saying your intuition is wrong, however, I actually suspect it's right. But to claim that you can definitively say that it's right is not scientific.

Re: If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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In my opinion, Meditation and Mindfullness are not the same thing. Meditation is a state, where the mind is completely silent, the breath slows waaaay down, the heartbeat slows waaaay down. Slowly ever so slowly, some bliss starts to bubble up from within. It is the climax of one pointed attention. Few people who say they "meditate" are reaching that point since it requires years of sincere effort. In Yoga, meditatio…

If one were looking to get into Meditation, what is a good way of going about it? Preferably a DIY way if possible, but if a class is really the way to go that's okay. When you say years of sincere effort, are you talking devoting a full-time job's worth of time, or just keeping a routine? I've been interested in meditation for a while, but it seems whenever I try and dig around I get completely lost in literature an…

You cannot stop your thoughts, it's like trying to capture the wind by opening your jacket. The point of meditation that most miss is that it is an experiment rather than a quiet place you're trying to reach. You discover what your emotions are, what you think about, etc. There is no goal other than observation of your mind and to consistently bring your attention back to your breath. The reason you sit and don't move is only to start at the most basic thing you can do, but the point is not the sitting and becoming still, it is to learn how to carry your awareness with you where ever you go and no matter what you do. When you can do this, things change.

To get started I recommend finding a group and going a few times at first to understand good posture and breathing techniques. There is no right way to meditate so which group you join probably doesn't matter. I personally like the methods of Zen or Shambhala.

I have actually managed to meditate for 20-30 minutes first thing every morning for the last 26 days in a row, although over the years I've been practicing on and off. The trick I've found to do it everyday for nearly a month now has been to use some findings in behavioral economics.

The idea is this: come up with a challenge for a month and a small but immediate punishment for yourself if you don't meet it. For example, donating $50 to an organization you hate if you don't meditate when you knew you should've (obviously any real crises are exempt from any skipping). It is amazing how well this works. Suddenly I have 20 minutes at home to just sit down so the Westboro Church doesn't get any of my money.

But to more correctly answer your question, just keeping a routine is enough. We cannot all become monks, but if you can ever get to a place where 20-40 minutes is a daily routine, it will change your life. Feel free to message me if you have any specific questions on books to start with, etc.

Re: If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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post #131

In my opinion, Meditation and Mindfullness are not the same thing. Meditation is a state, where the mind is completely silent, the breath slows waaaay down, the heartbeat slows waaaay down. Slowly ever so slowly, some bliss starts to bubble up from within. It is the climax of one pointed attention. Few people who say they "meditate" are reaching that point since it requires years of sincere effort. In Yoga, meditatio…

If one were looking to get into Meditation, what is a good way of going about it? Preferably a DIY way if possible, but if a class is really the way to go that's okay. When you say years of sincere effort, are you talking devoting a full-time job's worth of time, or just keeping a routine? I've been interested in meditation for a while, but it seems whenever I try and dig around I get completely lost in literature an…

On what to do physically, my recommendation is to use mediation beads (aka mala beads). 6-count breathing (6 on each inhale and exhale) and move one bead each breath. With the standard 108-beads, you start at the mala and it takes about 20 minutes to reach the end (you feel your fingers reach the mala again).

For the mental aspect, a good starting point is the audio session Alan Watts Teaches Mediation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tYENNBA0cA

Re: If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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If you are "cats" you are also "breathing". If you are "breathing" you are only "breathing".

> If you are "breathing" you are only "breathing". And sitting, and your heart is beating, and you're swallowing, and your eyes are moving reflexively, and you're probably digesting. And what about people with tinnitis? They're often "hearing" something. Sorry, I just don't understand why focusing on a specific topic to the exclusion of everything else is somehow inferior to focusing on breathing. Because your higher…

I think the point is to train your ability to focus on things that you don't naturally focus on. If you like thinking about math and you can easily focus on it without effort, presumably it doesn't have the same training effect. I think the idea of mindfulness is to learn to build up "reflexes" in your mind that cause you to notice certain thoughts at the conscious level. Focusing on your breathing is something so boring that random thoughts will continually enter your mind. Sometimes it will take a significant period of time to consciously notice that you're no longer focusing on breathing. Over time you train yourself to recognize those thoughts as soon as the enter your mind. In other words you train yourself to lift unconscious thoughts to conscious meta thoughts, i.e. feeling angry v.s. thinking "hey, I'm feeling angry".

For example if somebody does something annoying, you might reflexively think or say something bad to that person. The idea of mindfulness is to train your mind to process thoughts on a conscious level before acting on them. You will have the conscious thought "oh, I feel annoyed by this" and then be able to make a conscious decision about your reaction, instead of a reflexive one. Or instead of randomly browsing the web, you consciously notice "hey, I'm browsing the web, lets get back to work" ;) I'm certainly not an expert on the subject, but this is my understanding of it. If you've never tried it and want to get a clearer understanding, try it now. Try focusing on your breath for 2 minutes (or heartbeat, or the number 5, or whatever, as long as it's the same simple boring thing over those 2 minutes).

Re: If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one were looking to get into Meditation, what is a good way of going about it? Preferably a DIY way if possible, but if a class is really the way to go that's okay. When you say years of sincere effort, are you talking devoting a full-time job's worth of time, or just keeping a routine? I've been interested in meditation for a while, but it seems whenever I try and dig around I get completely lost in literature an…

On what to do physically, my recommendation is to use mediation beads (aka mala beads). 6-count breathing (6 on each inhale and exhale) and move one bead each breath. With the standard 108-beads, you start at the mala and it takes about 20 minutes to reach the end (you feel your fingers reach the mala again). For the mental aspect, a good starting point is the audio session Alan Watts Teaches Mediation. http://www.yo…

Beads, eh? I wrote an Emacs command to notify me when my meditation period has ended.

Re: If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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"And you will have experience that proves to you that the urge is only a suggestion. You are in control."

This is the most interesting part to me. Don't we always act on the urge that is strongest at the moment? If I decide to continue to meditate even though I have an urge to stop, doesn't that just mean that the urge to continue happened to be stronger than the urge to stop? Did I really get to choose which of those urges was strongest at that moment? Of course, this gets into questions of free will, which has been discussed on HN before. But when I meditate, it becomes very clear that I am definitely not in control of my thoughts, feelings, and urges. I see that I have multiple, competing urges at any given moment and that I don't control which urge emerges as the victor and compels me to act.

Re: If You're Too Busy to Meditate, Read This

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Here's a study... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22363278/?i=10&from... It may have been mentioned already, I just did a simple pubmed search. I would guess that exercise would have some of the same benefits, especially if it's exercise that one forces oneself to do, rather than just a fun activity. I don't have a study for that hypothesis though.

So that's a good start. Is that all we have? I see some credible studies on pubmed (and plenty of studies with all the markers of being useless, some outright mentioning "CAM"-friendly goals in the abstract), but most of them involve things like mindfulness meditation as a method of improving performance on X, where X is some sort of motor-coordination task. What the study you cited suggests interesting research coul…

Here's one study that I'm familiar with- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19773563

They correlated mindfulness study with improvements in several aspects of mental well-being.

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