Fighting Fire with Fire: Scalable Oral Exams
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Fighting Fire with Fire: Scalable Oral Exams
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#2Also, with all the progress in video gen, what does recording the webcam really do?
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#3...but OTOH if cheating is so easy it's impossible to resist and when everyone cheats honest students are the ones getting all the bad grades, what else can you do?
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#4If this is the only way to keep the existing approach working, it feels like the only real solution for education is something radically different, perhaps without assessment at all
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#5If you can use AI agents to give exams, what is stopping you from using them to teach the whole course? Also, with all the progress in video gen, what does recording the webcam really do?
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#6When I was doing a lot of hiring we offered the option (don’t roast me, it was an alternative they could choose if they wanted) of a take-home problem they could do on their own. It was reasonably short, like the kind of problem an experienced developer could do in 10-15 minutes and then add some polish, documentation, and submit it in under an hour.
Even though I told candidates that we’d discuss their submission as part of the next step, we would still get candidates submitting solutions that seemed entirely foreign to them a day later. This was on the cusp of LLMs being useful, so I think a lot of solutions were coming from people’s friends or copied from something on the internet without much thought.
Now that LLMs are both useful and well known, the temptation to cheat with them is huge. For various reasons I think students and applicants see using LLMs as not-cheating in the same situations where they wouldn’t feel comfortable copying answers from a friend. The idea is that the LLM is an available tool and therefore they should be able to use it. The obvious problem with that argument is that we’re not testing students or applicants on their abilities to use an LLM, we’re using synthetic problems to explore their own skills and communication.
Even some of the hiring managers I know who went all in on allowing LLMs during interviews are changing course now. The LLM-assisted interviewed were just turning into an exercise of how familiar the candidate was with the LLM being used.
I don’t really agree with some of the techniques they’re using in this article, but the problem they’re facing is very real.
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#7I wonder: with a structure like this, it seems feasible to make the LLM exam itself available ahead of time, in its full authentic form.
They say the topic randomization is happening in code, and that this whole thing costs 42¢ per student. Would there be drawbacks to offering more-or-less unlimited practice runs until the student decides they’re ready for the round that counts?
I guess the extra opportunities might allow an enterprising student to find a way to game the exam, but vulnerabilities are something you’d want to fix anyway…
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#8Wouldn't a written exam--or even a digital one, taken in class on school-provided machines--be almost as good?
As long as it's not a hundred person class or something, you can also have an oral component taken in small groups.
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#9Being interrogated by an AI voice app... I am so grateful I went to university in the before time If this is the only way to keep the existing approach working, it feels like the only real solution for education is something radically different, perhaps without assessment at all