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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by swiftcoder »

stavros wrote: post #632
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #606

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be saying it in jest, but I think there may be something to this line of thinking. Whenever I read about anything on HN and bazzite comes up, it feels like the beginning of a new holy war is approaching. I am starting to wonder if the concern from the 'older' linux crowd is that the gamers will introduce changes to linux that will corrupt it more than systemd ever could ( like kernel level drm in games ).

I think the GP means because the game is a time sink, but you raise an interesting point. I wanted to say "that'll never happen", but someone could fork Linux, add DRM, and then that becomes massively popular and we're done.

> someone could fork Linux, add DRM

Realistically, that's only going to happen if Valve, specifically, decides to do it. There isn't really another player in the linux-gaming business with enough skin in the game to make it worthwhile.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by hhh »

fooker wrote: post #111
PaulKeeble wrote: post #2

I think its interesting that mainstream PC gaming press is now talking about Linux. We have the benchmark Youtube channels doing some benchmarks of it as well and plenty of reports of "it just works", which is pretty promising at least for the games that aren't intentionally excluded by DRM. For me its still controllers and equipment incompatibility due to my VR headset and sim wheel/pedals setup, I use Linux everywh…

The last remaining roadblock is kernel level anti-cheat frameworks. Pretty horrible technology, and unfortunately a good majority of the gaming industry by revenue relies on it.

Games being playable also rely on it.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by everdrive »

eru wrote: post #418
aqme28 wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a similar note, performance is sometimes better. As a direct comparison, the steam version of the Lenovos Legion S handheld is significantly more performant than the windows version. Like 20% better FPS and double the battery life. Literally the only difference between the two is the OS.

Though from what I've read, Microsoft could fix that relatively quickly, if they made some tweaks to Windows (and called it a special 'handheld gaming edition' or so). For some reason, the Lenovo Legion S's Windows still comes with a lot of baggage and background services etc.

Microsoft is a big expensive oil tanker. They have the resources to turn the ship around, but they need to feel incentivize to do so. I love using Linux and won't go back to Windows, (it's been quite a while for me) but they could blow the performance problems out of the water if they really cared to.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by gloomyday »

kentonv wrote: post #242

I switched all the machines at https://lanparty.house over to Linux a couple months ago. So far, we've experienced noticeably fewer problems on Linux compared to Windows. Stability and performance are better. I can't think of one game we tried that didn't work. And wow is it nice not to have all the ads and crapware in our faces anymore. (I'm aware that Battlefield series and League of Legends won't work due to draco…

The only game I tried on Steam that didn't work was Slave Zero, a game from the 90s. Unfortunately, I still have to use Windows for VR games. It is too troublesome on Linux (at least for the Meta Quest 2).

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by user34283 »

tuetuopay wrote: post #625
kderbe wrote: post #550

Steve Burke from GamersNexus tested eight games from their benchmark suite on Linux last month. Although his conclusion was generally positive, there were problems with nearly every game: - F1 2024 didn't load due to anti-cheat - Dragon's Dogma 2 and Resident Evil 4 had non-functional raytracing - Cyberpunk 2077 with raytracing on consistently crashes when reloading a save game - Dying Light 2 occasionally freezes fo…

AFAIK this comes down a lot to NVIDIA not doing enough efforts for the Linux drivers. There is a pretty well documented and understood reason for the perf hit NVIDIA GPUs get on Linux. Honestly, considering where we came from, a 10-30% perf drop is good and is a reasonable tradeoff to consider. Especially for all the people that don't want to touch Windows 11 with a 11-foot pole (which I am), it's a more than decent…

To each their own, but Windows 11 runs flawlessly on my machine with high-end specs and a 240 Hz monitor.

The Start menu works great with no lag, even immediately after booting.

The only thing that I consider annoying would be the 'Setup' screens that sometimes show up after bigger updates.

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Would I trade it all to get on Bazzite DX:

- lower game compatibility and potential bugs

- subpar NVIDIA drivers with the risk of performance degradation

- restricted development in dev containers relying on VS Code Remote

- Loss of the Backblaze Unlimited plan

+ system rollbacks if an update fails

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That does not seem worth it to me.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by notorandit »

heresie-dabord wrote: post #668
notorandit wrote: post #623

Let me put gaming aside for a minute. Linux is not good. Some hardware support is still reverse-engineering-based, or based on a few individuals best effort activity. Linux needs manufacturers' first hand commitment to quality opensource to be truly good. Linux is not good. Some software is not on feature-parity among operating systems. With Linux being the software kingdom poor Cinderella. Linux needs software featu…

> I am a happy user of Linux on my primary PC since 20+ years now. But I still have to fight for my freedom every now and again And this is a problem with Linux ?

Yes it is. Linux is one of my main means to fight or my freedom. Anytime I need to cope with those things, I feel less free.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by gloomyday »

ahartmetz wrote: post #638
kentonv wrote: post #242

I switched all the machines at https://lanparty.house over to Linux a couple months ago. So far, we've experienced noticeably fewer problems on Linux compared to Windows. Stability and performance are better. I can't think of one game we tried that didn't work. And wow is it nice not to have all the ads and crapware in our faces anymore. (I'm aware that Battlefield series and League of Legends won't work due to draco…

It keeps surprising me how many people don't care about some of the most popular games today. I mean I don't care about Battlefield or League of Legends neither, but in earlier decades of PC gaming, almost everyone had some of the most popular games. Doom, Half-Life (1 + 2) and such. The games market today seems more similar to music in its fragmentation.

There are simply too many games, and many genres are underserved by AAA studios.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

kentonv wrote: post #242

I switched all the machines at https://lanparty.house over to Linux a couple months ago. So far, we've experienced noticeably fewer problems on Linux compared to Windows. Stability and performance are better. I can't think of one game we tried that didn't work. And wow is it nice not to have all the ads and crapware in our faces anymore. (I'm aware that Battlefield series and League of Legends won't work due to draco…

> (I'm aware that Battlefield series and League of Legends won't work due to draconian anti-cheat -- but nobody in my group cares to play those I guess.)

As I've said elsewhere, Battlefield 6 has got a far better user experience on Linux than Windows and I would recommend it to anyone.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by energy123 »

vladms wrote: post #607
kderbe wrote: post #550

Steve Burke from GamersNexus tested eight games from their benchmark suite on Linux last month. Although his conclusion was generally positive, there were problems with nearly every game: - F1 2024 didn't load due to anti-cheat - Dragon's Dogma 2 and Resident Evil 4 had non-functional raytracing - Cyberpunk 2077 with raytracing on consistently crashes when reloading a save game - Dying Light 2 occasionally freezes fo…

> Baldur's Gate 3 Linux build is a slideshow on Nvidia cards I played Baldur's Gate 3 on Linux on a GeForce GTX 1060 (which is almost 10 years old!) without a fan (I found later that it was broken) and I generally did not have issues (couple of times in the whole game slowed for couple of seconds, but nothing major).

It's a CPU bound game
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