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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by Klonoar »

sho_hn wrote: post #63
pygar wrote: post #30

Every year at around this time there is a lot of linux related content in tech media. It's a slow moving evergreen topic perfect for a scheduled release while the author is on holiday. This is just filler content that could have been written at any point in the last 10 years with minor changes.

I've been working on the Linux desktop for 20 years, and I've been using it on the desktop since 1999, so I lived through the infamous "Year of the Linux Desktop" era. I've not seen anything like the current level of momentum, ever, nor this level of mainstream exposure. Gaming has changed the equation, and 2026 will be wild.

I wouldn’t agree.

The level of momentum feels roughly equivalent to the era of Ubuntu coming around in the mid-2000s. We have been here before.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by eru »

fooker wrote: post #111
PaulKeeble wrote: post #2

I think its interesting that mainstream PC gaming press is now talking about Linux. We have the benchmark Youtube channels doing some benchmarks of it as well and plenty of reports of "it just works", which is pretty promising at least for the games that aren't intentionally excluded by DRM. For me its still controllers and equipment incompatibility due to my VR headset and sim wheel/pedals setup, I use Linux everywh…

The last remaining roadblock is kernel level anti-cheat frameworks. Pretty horrible technology, and unfortunately a good majority of the gaming industry by revenue relies on it.

Well, if you go by revenue, mobile gaming dwarfs all else.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by eru »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #362
foresto wrote: post #324

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Is HDMI really a roadblock to gaming when DisplayPort exists?

It's a blocker if you want to use a TV, there are almost 0 TVs with DP. This HDMI licensing crap is also the reason a Steam Deck can't output HDMI > 4K@60 unless you install Windows on it.

Aren't there some hardware dongles to translate from DP to HDMI?

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Post by IgorPartola »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #173
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #10

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Gaming now works better on Linux than it does on Windows. This must be upsetting for Microsoft, but it was their game to lose.

The irony is that gaming on linux got better but the instigator was not the OSS community. All of it was funded by closed source software competing with other close source software. The OSS community by itself did not have the conviction to climb over this bulwark.

It isn’t about conviction. Gaming takes tremendous resources and they were not there. But if this starts shifting the tides there is a possible future where game developers start building for Linux as a primary target and to run games on Windows or Mac you would use emulation. In fact this seems like a better overall approach given that there are no hidden APIs with Linux.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by eru »

sylens wrote: post #408
ndriscoll wrote: post #400

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This was never an issue 20 years ago when we had 64 player servers, but the 64 player servers also generally had a few people online with referee access to kick/ban people at any given time. That seemed like it worked well to me.

That's really the paradigm shift - communities were self-organizing and self-moderating before. Now game publishers want to control all aspects of the online experience so they can sell you content and skins, so that means matchmaking and it means they have to shoulder the moderation burden.

The barrier to entry has also dropped a lot and the market has broadened.

It's a bit like complaining that these days people just want to watch TV, instead of writing and performing their own plays.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by eru »

keyringlight wrote: post #258
dontlaugh wrote: post #209

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If you want to play games with friends, you have to play whatever the group plays. This is especially problematic as the group tries out new games, increasing the chance you can’t join because you’re not on Windows.

Personally I'd be interested to see what would happen if Sony/MS did what they could to make keyboard/mouse experience as good as possible on their consoles (I'm writing from a position of ignorance on the state of mouse/keys with current consoles) and encouraged developers to offer a choice in inputs, so that the locked-down machines can become the place for highest confidence in no/low cheaters. If other people wan…

Well, Nintendo's latest console comes with two mice that you can both use at the same time even.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by eru »

dontlaugh wrote: post #232
tormeh wrote: post #230

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This really depends on the friends you have. I've never encountered this limitation because no one in my friend group plays competitive ranked games. Basically anything with private sessions doesn't require anticheat, so Valheim, RV There Yet, Deep Rock Galactic, etc. all work fine.

Sure, that helps. But even then, when everyone is trying out a new indie game there’s a chance it won’t work on non-Windows. It’s happened to me.

Yes, but Linux really has gotten a lot better in recent years. At least whatever runs on Steam. I almost never had any problems with newer indie games.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by Nursie »

Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #335
coppsilgold wrote: post #241

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Competent cheat makers don't have much difficulty in defeating in-kernel anticheats on Windows. With the amount of insight and control available on Linux anticheat makers stand little chance. The best Valve could do is offer a special locked down kernel with perhaps some anticheat capabilities and lock down the hardware with attestation. If they offer the sources and do verified builds it might even be accepted by so…

Anticheat is one of those things where I probably sound really old, but man it’s just a game. If you hate cheating, don’t play on pub servers with randoms or find a group of people you can play with, like how real life works. For competitive gaming, I think attested hardware & software actually is the right way to go. Don’t force kernel-level malware on everyone.

I think the problem comes when someone makes a cool, fun, silly little game that is otherwise great when played with randoms, and cheating just sorta spoils it.

Case in point from a few years back - Fall Guys. Silly fun, sloppy controls, a laugh. And then you get people literally flying around because they've installed a hack, so other players can't progress as they can't make the top X players in a round.

So to throw it back - it is just a game, it's so sad that a minority think winning is more important than just enjoying things, or think their own enjoyment is more important than everyone else's.

As an old-timer myself, we thought it was despicable when people replaced downloaded skins in QuakeWorld with all-fullbright versions in their local client, so they could get an advantage spotting other players... I suppose that does show us that multiplayer cheating is almost as old as internet gaming.

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Post by wirybeige »

bitanarch wrote: post #204
EnPissant wrote: post #161

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I asked claude to investigate: Your Display Configuration Both monitors are outputting 10-bit color using the ABGR2101010 pixel format. | Monitor | Connector | Format | Color Depth | HDR | Colorspace | |------------------------|-----------|-------------|-------------|--------------|------------| | Dell U2725QE (XXXXXXX) | HDMI-A-1 | ABGR2101010 | 10-bit | Enabled (PQ) | BT2020_RGB | | Dell U2725QE (XXXXXXX) | HDMI-A-…

I don't have a Dell U2725QE, but on InnoCN 27M2V and Cooler Master GP27U there's no ABGR2101010 support. These monitors would only work with ARGB2101010 or XRGB2101010 which nVidia drivers do not provide. Here's what I'm getting on both monitors, with HDR enabled on Gnome 49: https://imgur.com/a/SCyyZWt Maybe you're lucky with the Dell. But as I understand, HDR playback on Chrome is still broken.

HDR playback in chrome on KDE works as expected from what I can tell. For GNOME 49.2 it does not, it doesn't get the luminance that it should at this time. 49.3 may fix this.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by jact »

bitanarch wrote: post #91

HDR still doesn't really work on Linux w/ nVidia GPUs. 1. 10bpp color depth is not supported on RGB monitors, which are the majority of LCD displays on the market. Concretely, ARGB2101010 and XRGB2101010 modes are not supported by current nVidia Linux drivers - the drivers only offer ABGR2101010 and XBGR2101010 (See: https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/blob/main/... ). 2. Common browsers like Chrome and…

I find that running HDR games in standalone steam gamescope works great for my OLED tv. Not perfect, but great.
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