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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by bitanarch »

EnPissant wrote: post #266
bitanarch wrote: post #263

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No luck for me with HDMI 2.1 - still seeing XRGB8888 on my monitors after HDR enabled. That's still pretty crappy. Monitors do not say whether they support BGR input signals or not as opposed to RGB.

Was it an 8k cable? Are you on wayland?

I'm on Wayland and the cable is HDMI 2.1 ultra high speed, which means 8k. Xorg is already gone on Ubuntu 25.10.

The GPU and monitor combination has full 10-bit HDR in Windows. But in Linux it's stuck at 8bpp due to nVidia driver not having 10-bit RGB output.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by smj-edison »

WaxProlix wrote: post #18
MostlyStable wrote: post #9

It is good, and for 99+% of use cases for 90+% of users (who mostly use nothing but the browser), they will hardly even notice a difference, besides the lack of obnoxious, instrusive MS behavior. However, despite really, really wanting to switch (and having it installed on my laptop), I keep finding things that don't quite work right that are preventing me from switching some of my machines. My living room PC, which…

There are plenty. I run only Linux at home but CAD software for hobbies (Fusion 360), most games that want kernel level anti cheat, some embedded DRM-enabled media, all sort of just fail. Other things, like GPU tuning or messing with your displays/drivers are harder than they should be. My Bluetooth earbuds just don't work with my Linux machines.

How did you get Fusion 360 running? I've tried multiple times but it always gets stuck at the installer.

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Post by 3form »

Daunk wrote: post #300

I'm not against Wayland, but I think Wayland is currently not good for the Linux ecosystem. I've had lots of friends try Linux, and they've had issues with Discord global keyboard shortcuts not working, and window positions not restoring at application start, and lots of other small issues, which add up in the end. But once they switched to X11, they've all been very happy.

Which desktop environment do your friends use?

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by bitanarch »

3A2D50 wrote: post #284
bitanarch wrote: post #91

HDR still doesn't really work on Linux w/ nVidia GPUs. 1. 10bpp color depth is not supported on RGB monitors, which are the majority of LCD displays on the market. Concretely, ARGB2101010 and XRGB2101010 modes are not supported by current nVidia Linux drivers - the drivers only offer ABGR2101010 and XBGR2101010 (See: https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/blob/main/... ). 2. Common browsers like Chrome and…

I have Interstellar on 4K UltraHD Blu-ray that features HDR on the cover, Sony 4K Blu-ray player (UBP-X700) and a LG G4 OLED television. I also have an AVR (Denon AVR-S760H 7.2 Ch) connecting both the Blu-ray and a PC running Linux with a RTX 3060 12GB graphic card to the television. I've been meaning to compare HDR on Linux with the Blu-ray. I guess now better than never. I'll reply back to my post after I am done.

Try it with different monitors you have. The current nVidia Linux drivers only has BGR output for 10bpp, which works on TVs and OLEDs but not most LCDs monitors.

My monitors (InnoCN 27M2V and Cooler Master GP27U) require RGB input, which means it's limited to 8bpp even with HDR enabled on Wayland. There's another commentator below who uses a Dell monitor and manages to get BGR input working and full HDR in nVidia/Linux.

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dijit wrote: post #299
jsheard wrote: post #262

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DX12 is overwhelmingly the default for AAA games at this point. The three titles you listed all officially require DX12, what DX11 support they have is vestigial, undocumented and unsupported. Many other AAAs have already stripped their legacy DX11 support out entirely. Id Software do prefer Vulkan but they are an outlier.

DX12 is less and less the default, most gamedev that I’ve seen is surrounding Vulkan now. DX12 worked decently better than openGL before, and all the gamedevs had windows, and it was required for xbox… but now those things are less and less true. The playstation was always “odd-man-out” when it came to graphics processing, and we used a lot of shims, but then Stadia came along and was a proper linux, so we rewrote a…

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Post by tmtvl »

epistasis wrote: post #215
saghm wrote: post #162

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I have to wonder if Ubuntu's prescriptive stance on things like this is becoming increasingly outdated in an age where there's actually a decent experience out of the box for a lot more stuff on Linux. I've long since moved on from using it personally for my devices, but I'm fairly certain my tolerance for spending effort tinkering to get things working like I want is a lot higher than even most Linux users, so it's…

It's not just Ubuntu, Arch is just as bad. The primary problem is systemd, which provided an adequate OOMd for daemons, but then all the distributions seem to be using it for interactively launched processes If anybody can help me out with a better solution with a modern distribution, that's about 75% of the reason I'm posting. But it's been a major pain and all the GitHub issues I have encountered on it show a big r…

It's funny how you say the way it used to be was better when people always complained about the OOM killer waiting until the system had entirely ground to a halt before acting, to the point some preferred to run with 0 swap so the system would just immediately go down instead.

Regardless, I believe EarlyOOM is pretty configurable, if you care to check it out.

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Post by 3form »

scaramanga wrote: post #290

Switched in, ooh i dunno, '98 or '99. Quality is about where it was then relatively speaking. Sure things have improved, mainly just systemd, and we got ACPI and later power management stuff for laptops. Prior to that windows was better on laptops due to having the proprietary drivers or working ACPI. But it was pretty poor quality in terms of reliability, and the main problem of the included software being incredibl…

This is a strange statement for me, because I'd say that since '99 almost everything has changed. Maybe your definition of quality is a bit different than mine.

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Post by coherentpony »

kentonv wrote: post #256
Biganon wrote: post #228

I'm tired of people saying Steam on Linux just works. It doesn't. Tried running Worms: instant crash, no error message. Tried running Among Us: instant crash, had to add cryptic arguments to the command line to get it to run. Tried running Parkitect: crashes after 5 minutes. These three games are extremely simple, graphically speaking. They don't use any complicated anti-cheat measure. This shouldn't be complicated,…

These games are all rated gold or platinum on protondb, indicating that they work perfectly for most people. Hard to say what might be going wrong for you without more details. I would guess there's something wrong with your video driver. Maybe you have an nvidia card and the OS has installed the nouveau drivers by default? Installing the nvidia first-party drivers (downloaded from the nvidia web site) will fix a lot…

> Personally I have a bunch of machines dedicated to gaming in my house (https://lanparty.house)

Woah, that is extremely cool. Very nice work, sir.

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

jetbalsa wrote: post #99
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #10

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Gaming now works better on Linux than it does on Windows. This must be upsetting for Microsoft, but it was their game to lose.

This still has a "sometimes" on it, there are more then a few games that need magic proton flags to run well, nothing you can't go look up on protondb, but lots of games you would want to play with friends might have some nasty anti-cheat on it that just won't let you play it at all.

Exactly. Battlefield 6 for example does not work at all in Proton.

This is a far better user experience for Battlefield players than in Windows.

Have you ever actually attempted to play that half-assed buggy piece of shit?

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by EnPissant »

bitanarch wrote: post #311
EnPissant wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it an 8k cable? Are you on wayland?

I'm on Wayland and the cable is HDMI 2.1 ultra high speed, which means 8k. Xorg is already gone on Ubuntu 25.10. The GPU and monitor combination has full 10-bit HDR in Windows. But in Linux it's stuck at 8bpp due to nVidia driver not having 10-bit RGB output.

I don’t think your problem is RGB instead of BGR. That’s just the compositor’s work area and your monitor never sees it (it includes an alpha channel). Have you tried KDE Plasma? It sounds like KWin uses 10-bit planes by default when available. Maybe Ubuntu’s compositor (Mutter?) doesn’t support 30 bit color or must be configured? Or maybe you need the nvidia driver >= 580.94.11 for VK_EXT_hdr_metadata (https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-580.94.11-Linux-Driver)
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