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Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by cloudfudge »

amelius wrote: post #73
dijit wrote: post #3

And everyone got mad at OpenBSD for refusing to develop bluetooth. It’s a messy standard and we shouldn’t be surprised that the race to the bottom has left some major gaps.. though Sony WH1000’s are premium tier hardware and they have no real excuses.. I always wondered how people could justify the growth of the bluetooth headphone market in such a way.. Everyone seems to use bluetooth headphones exclusively (in Swed…

Honestly, can't we just ditch BT and send audio over WiFi? One thing less to worry about.

"Just use wifi for headphones"

and

"One less thing to worry about"

These are not compatible statements. :)

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by wat10000 »

Rygian wrote: post #116
crazygringo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what the parent commenter said. They said consumers don't care , not that they asked for the jacks to go away . You're misrepresenting. But in terms of consumers not caring, yes: https://www.androidauthority.com/ting-headphone-jack-survey-... It's objectively not a popular feature or something the vast majority of consumers are looking for. Most people prefer Bluetooth because you don't need to deal with a…

I understand the figured sense that you describe. It reverses the logical suite of cause and effect. Instead of describing the true cause (Apple chooses to drop the jack) and the consequence (customers "don't care", which I believe is wrong), the conveyed message blames those without a choice: "customers don't care, therefore we should drop the jack". The survey that you link is built on the premise that "you can pic…

Why would Apple dropping the jack cause other phone makers to drop it, if their customers still want it?

    1. Apple drops the headphone jack.
    2. ???
    3. Google Pixels don't have a headphone jack.
What is the ??? if not "few customers care"?

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by subscribed »

barbazoo wrote: post #80
p0w3n3d wrote: post #4

Meanwhile all the phones dropping jack because Apple started it. Official reason is to "waterproof phones"

I just don’t know a single real person that still wants to use wired earphones with their phone. To me it’s the same as complaining that an artist only has CDs, not records.

Wired headphones have no latency. AptX-LL are rare in the good quality headsets.

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by dmd »

bzzzt wrote: post #111
calmworm wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect some of that disconnect is because hearing itself isn’t standardized. Differences in frequency perception, hearing loss, and training can make two people genuinely hear different things.

Of course people have different hearing, but the audiophile market is overflowing with snake-oil stuff like 'oxygen free copper' cables to 'acoustic resonator discs'. Nobody's proven any of that stuff results in better sound quality (or even different quality after you graduate from junk stuff to reasonable equipment). Seems like an awfully expensive way of experiencing the placebo effect to me.

I know someone who spent upwards of $10k on a single 3-foot HDMI cable that was 'infused with Peruvian copper'. He says it makes the colors "more true".

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by ptx »

crazygringo wrote: post #97
Rygian wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source that supports your claim, that the market asked for 3.5 mm jacks to go away?

That's not what the parent commenter said. They said consumers don't care , not that they asked for the jacks to go away . You're misrepresenting. But in terms of consumers not caring, yes: https://www.androidauthority.com/ting-headphone-jack-survey-... It's objectively not a popular feature or something the vast majority of consumers are looking for. Most people prefer Bluetooth because you don't need to deal with a…

The survey asks whether people care about the headphone jack, though – it asks whether it's in the top three features they care about.

I care plenty about the headphone jack but still reluctantly bought a phone without one (which I regret) because I have more than three requirements to balance. I expect that the users who did include the headphone jack in their top three features still care that e.g. the screen, battery and radio are all in working order as well, despite not being in their top three.

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by Rygian »

wat10000 wrote: post #122
Rygian wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the figured sense that you describe. It reverses the logical suite of cause and effect. Instead of describing the true cause (Apple chooses to drop the jack) and the consequence (customers "don't care", which I believe is wrong), the conveyed message blames those without a choice: "customers don't care, therefore we should drop the jack". The survey that you link is built on the premise that "you can pic…

Why would Apple dropping the jack cause other phone makers to drop it, if their customers still want it? 1. Apple drops the headphone jack. 2. ??? 3. Google Pixels don't have a headphone jack. What is the ??? if not "few customers care"?

The "???" is "hey, Apple are doing it! since we already copy so many ideas from them, let's shave a few cents on the amp and jack receptacle, and if anyone complains, just claim that it's the trendy thing to do now".

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by wat10000 »

Rygian wrote: post #126
wat10000 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Apple dropping the jack cause other phone makers to drop it, if their customers still want it? 1. Apple drops the headphone jack. 2. ??? 3. Google Pixels don't have a headphone jack. What is the ??? if not "few customers care"?

The "???" is "hey, Apple are doing it! since we already copy so many ideas from them, let's shave a few cents on the amp and jack receptacle, and if anyone complains, just claim that it's the trendy thing to do now".

And why didn't any of the multitude of phone makers say "turns out that people actually want a headphone jack, let's spend a few extra cents and steal all of our competitors' customers"?

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by astrange »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #63
ricardobeat wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The jacks are a physical impediment for slim phones. An adapter costs $3 if you still want it. It’s not a bad trade.

3$ adapter will have low quality DAC

The DAC in Apple's $10 adapter is higher quality than most "audiophile" DACs because Apple has a larger R&D budget and is better at manufacturing than the entire audiophile industry combined.

Same for Google's, though it's slightly less good iirc.

They aren't perfect - the maximum volume and impedance are pretty low so you do need an amp to electrically drive insensitive headphones.

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by astrange »

smallstepforman wrote: post #17

Most audiophiles ignore bluetooth headphones due to sound quality + latency, so we (audiophiles) stick to wired at home and we also have dedicated headphone amps since the pissy sound card D/A convertors are incredibly bad. Bluetooth only when I’m doing yard work. Sadly, modern music is tuned to crappy headphones, crappy car systems, crappy speakers … I miss the 80’s audiophile obsession, the equipment had heart, and…

"Sound quality" is a theoretical goal which can't be achieved in practice unless you listen in a perfectly quiet room. Your audiophile open-back headphones can't achieve their rated sound quality if eg there's a CPU fan in the room, or if you're wearing glasses, or if your head just doesn't fit the headphones the same way as the tester's dummy head mic did.

Re: Bluetooth Headphone Jacking: A Key to Your Phone [video]

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Post by astrange »

ricardobeat wrote: post #69
smallstepforman wrote: post #17

Most audiophiles ignore bluetooth headphones due to sound quality + latency, so we (audiophiles) stick to wired at home and we also have dedicated headphone amps since the pissy sound card D/A convertors are incredibly bad. Bluetooth only when I’m doing yard work. Sadly, modern music is tuned to crappy headphones, crappy car systems, crappy speakers … I miss the 80’s audiophile obsession, the equipment had heart, and…

- Apple has a lossless codec for wireless, ALAC that can do up to 24bit/192khz - aptX can do 44/16 in other devices, Sony has LDAC at 24/96 too - latency under We have amazing technology available today, at prices and quality unimaginable in the 80s. A $50 in-ear from a chinese hi-fi brand can give you an audio experience you couldn’t buy for thousands of dollars a decade ago. And there’s more and more analog hardwar…

> - Apple has a lossless codec for wireless, ALAC that can do up to 24bit/192khz

Only Vision Pro has wireless lossless audio and it works because it's right next to the AirPods.

But your phone can passthrough AAC over Bluetooth as long as it doesn't have to mix system sounds or anything in.

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