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Re: On privacy and control

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Post by mtone »

andrepd wrote: post #79
mtone wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just looked - Microsoft Authenticator doesn't appear to work. I might be able to get off of it but it will take some prep. My banks are supported so that's good.

Why would you use Microsoft Authenticator when there are hundreds of other apps that manage OTPs? Use aegis https://f-droid.org/packages/com.beemdevelopment.aegis/

Good question. That was for my MS account/licenses and some Azure stuff. I use Google Authenticator for most things.

Thanks for the link, I'll take a look. I might just move it to a secondary device first.

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arionmiles wrote: post #11

As much as I'd love to daily drive an OS like GrapheneOS, the risk of running into apps that use Google Integrity API thereby making it impossible to run those apps on Graphene is too much of an inconvenience. I took a look at this curated list of bank apps[1] supported on Graphene OS and I'm glad that a large majority of them work on Graphene. However, just my luck that one of the banks I use on this list isn't supp…

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Re: On privacy and control

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Post by Alex2037 »

arionmiles wrote: post #11

As much as I'd love to daily drive an OS like GrapheneOS, the risk of running into apps that use Google Integrity API thereby making it impossible to run those apps on Graphene is too much of an inconvenience. I took a look at this curated list of bank apps[1] supported on Graphene OS and I'm glad that a large majority of them work on Graphene. However, just my luck that one of the banks I use on this list isn't supp…

but who says you have to limit yourself to one device? it's mildly inconvenient to carry more than one, sure, but the added benefit of an air gap between "serious business" and "personal life" is very much worth it, imo.

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Post by crapple8430 »

arionmiles wrote: post #11

As much as I'd love to daily drive an OS like GrapheneOS, the risk of running into apps that use Google Integrity API thereby making it impossible to run those apps on Graphene is too much of an inconvenience. I took a look at this curated list of bank apps[1] supported on Graphene OS and I'm glad that a large majority of them work on Graphene. However, just my luck that one of the banks I use on this list isn't supp…

I wonder if it would be feasible to build an automated phone-using robot, and access it remotely for any kind of apps enforcing that type of crap. There is really nothing they can do in terms of device attestation to prevent it.

Re: On privacy and control

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Post by crapple8430 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #59
arionmiles wrote: post #11

As much as I'd love to daily drive an OS like GrapheneOS, the risk of running into apps that use Google Integrity API thereby making it impossible to run those apps on Graphene is too much of an inconvenience. I took a look at this curated list of bank apps[1] supported on Graphene OS and I'm glad that a large majority of them work on Graphene. However, just my luck that one of the banks I use on this list isn't supp…

Another daily GrapheneOS driver here. I've kept banking apps off my phone anyway, and I do banking via desktop/website (I don't understand why people need to do banking 'on the go') and just use a physical credit card for tap payments when I'm out and about. I do have older Android devices that I have run banking apps on, that I can revert to if necessary, but there's a fair bit of inconvenience I would be happy to e…

It's very country dependent. In the US, I don't think many banks do that, but I heard in Europe this is used a lot more, presumably due to more regulatory bs.

It's worth noting GrapheneOS with the locked bootloader will meet basic integrity, and that's what most apps need anyway. Strong integrity requires a whitelisted OS by Google and hardware to support it, but there are many older devices that do not meet it, so it will likely inconvenience too many people to be enforced for now.

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Post by crapple8430 »

jumpingpants wrote: post #2

> Instead of "privacy" we really should be talking about "control". Fantastic. This is what I have been shifting towards these past couple years. Hardly anyone likes to be controlled, right?

They are separate but related concerns. Privacy is what you have (or don't have) right now. Control is what you can use to keep or throw it away in the future.

Apple gives you some privacy, better than most Android by default. But it gives you no control. If they decide you don't deserve privacy a year down the line, well, too bad.

Re: On privacy and control

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Post by crapple8430 »

nyx wrote: post #9

Agree that "control" is a much better framing, since it doesn't suggest a need for secrecy and therefore embarrassing/unacceptable/untoward behavior that needs to stay behind drawn window blinds. I'm also fond of "agency" and "digital self-sovereignty" as alternatives. But fine, I'll be the one to say it: Cloudflare isn't one of the good guys here and as an entity it shouldn't be trusted. It doesn't matter how pure t…

> What happens when

Not even this. If you do what OP says on the firefox, and turn on ResistFingerprinting, you'd be seeing many Cloudflare captchas a day. In effect it directly punishes you having any privacy or control. I wonder if they have an internal whitelist for employees? /s

Re: On privacy and control

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Post by fao_ »

> I would also recommend Bitwarden for those who want a better UI experience.

The newest release of bitwarden absolutely sucks. The images that they're using look AI-generated (specifically, there's some weird stuff around line thickness, colour and shading that, as the spawn of two artists, I do not believe a competent artist/designer would make), but also the images are just pixellated and grainy on my 1080p screen. The design has gone from "clean and usable" to "utterly dogshit", and the response time has gone down the pan.

For domain registration I recommend netim, as they neatly reduced the price that I pay from £30 down to £5, which made a huge difference personally.

Re: On privacy and control

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Post by mixmastamyk »

socalgal2 wrote: post #75

This topic came up at Christmas dinner with family. I had no luck coming up with a reason why they should care. "Control" would not be a better argument with them. Everything is already controlled. What amazon, google, youtube, facebook, instagram, tiktok, netflix, spotify, recommend to you is all controlled. Various insurance (health, car, etc) is relatively controlled. Through an employeer you usually get health in…

Control is the other end of freedom. Do they hate freedom? ;-)

People often say they have nothing to hide, but they don’t get to decide, the powers that be will make that determination. Law enforcement, civil judgements, corporate penalties, etc.

Everyone breaks some rules. For example, Ford knows you’re speeding while GM sells that info to your insurance company.

Re: On privacy and control

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Post by IndySun »

The article starts off on the wrong foot and there the article ends.

Do you think that 'government' (and ie anyone that works for one) is any 'different' to anyone else? Or are we all people? Or maybe there are other descriptors?

Wanting privacy is not a crime or admission of guilt.

Note - the EU politicians exempt themselves from this surveillance under "professional secrecy" rules. They get privacy. You and your family do not.

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