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2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Zetaphor »

ufmace wrote: post #9

I disagree with AI being part of the OS. IMO, any desktop OS should have absolutely nothing to do with AI. It's only a platform for managing other applications and resources. Remote AI stuff should be on websites only, available only if I choose to go to them and interact, or in apps specifically designed to be AI, like Claude Code or Antigravity. All the nonsense in Windows 11 has me thinking about trying Linux desk…

You've got nothing to lose by trying but time. Time spent learning something new is certainly better than time spent trying to regain control of your OS and workflow after another mandatory "improvement".

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by mekoka »

coldtea wrote: post #41
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has been primarily Mac for most of my life, I started using a Windows machine fairly recently for work. I'm tied down to the Windows eco-system (Teams, Outlook, etc). I still haven't gotten use to the idea of every link in Microsoft apps opening in Edge regardless of your settings. This might seem like a small thing, but the entire UX seems to be designed around benefiting Microsoft, not the user.

> I'm tied down to the Windows eco-system (Teams, Outlook, etc) All of them are available for the Mac.

The explanation is one sentence prior.

> I started using a Windows machine fairly recently for work.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by orwin »

wtcactus wrote: post #11
xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

Hum. Windows has been ridden with bugs forever. I don’t see how this is connected to Microsoft abandoning windows in favor of AI. Windows code base is just too heavy to maintain. They need to break compatibility with older products like MacOS often does, so that Windows can be manageable again… but that goes against Microsoft philosophy it seems.

I only used Windows at work and for games in a VM, so take that with a grain of salt:

Older Windows bugs seemed fair: mostly edge cases, weird UI interaction, or stuff that only came out under heavy workload (also, windows file system).

This past few year, the bugs are incomprehensible. I understand non-professional versions are considered as Beta since Win10, but what it felt like is that Home version are actually alpha, and windows pro seems more and more like a beta.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by samiv »

I've been preaching this for a while but the era of PC as in "personal computing" is coming to an end and will slowly but surely be replaced with CC, Corporate Computing, where the corporations own everything, the hardware, the software and only permit you to use their equipment against a monthly fee and only to the extent they allow and permit. Everything you do will be controlled and observed and extracted for data for extra revenue streams. (Ads)

Free/libre software is the only bastion of hope but I'm sure if it would ever become large enough to threat the CC revenue models it'd be locked down, amputated, bought out or silenced by any means necessary. For the time being the technical hurdles and low quality is what keep the majority away from it and gets the job done for the corporations.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by robrain »

bigyabai wrote: post #24
areoform wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is incredibly user hostile. And it's not even free. This is an ecosystem you pay for. They're treating folks shelling out $200 for an OS as if they were cattle on the adtech train.

Here's hoping that Apple can correct-course from this path. Last time I daily-drove macOS (Sequoia) it was pushing adverts in my face with every native app I launched.

With respect - bull.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Aurornis »

bigyabai wrote: post #14
xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

> Nvidia abandons the gaming market Citation? I've been hearing this from Gamer's Nexus for decades, but Nvidia seems to be fine RAM shortage notwithstanding.

> I've been hearing this from Gamer's Nexus for decades

I liked the idea of Gamer’s Nexus at first when it was supposed to be a data-first rigorous independent journalism.

Somewhere along the way it turned into a constant grievance and outrage channel. I guess audience capture pays the bills and YouTube Drama is hard to ignore. I haven’t bothered with that channel since they tried to go to war with Linus Tech Tips. I don’t even watch LTT and I certainly don’t want to watch two channels go to YouTube war against each other when I’m just trying to hear how the latest coolers perform or something.

I think a lot of the ultra cynical HN comments about how it’s the end of computing or how gamers have been abandoned are coming from these channels, though.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by bigyabai »

coldtea wrote: post #36
bigyabai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nvidia abandons the gaming market Citation? I've been hearing this from Gamer's Nexus for decades, but Nvidia seems to be fine RAM shortage notwithstanding.

It's about which market segment gets priority in the company. Doesn't mean they'll stop making gaming cards altogether

Sure, that makes sense. I don't think anyone ever treated Nvidia like the "pure raster" competitor though. Sacrifices have been made for CUDA for 10+ years, when the Nintendo Switch shipped it was with automotive grade SOCs. Gamers have been chopped liver for decades, but they still get GPU releases and software products.

Looking at the flip side, Apple, AMD and Intel all eschewed compute performance for raster and have nothing to show for it. No "DLSS killer" in sight, no CUDA alternative, nothing. It seems like the gaming revenue is a ball-and-chain holding back profitable applications.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by robertoandred »

coldtea wrote: post #42
Zopieux wrote: post #37

Why does anyone still go through the trouble, for personal use, of buying and fighting against Windows terrible design decisions and crappy implementations, when there are so many great alternatives?

Because there aren't so many great alternatives. There's MacOS, which requires expensive dongles (an Apple computer), and has some of its own systemic issues. And there's Linux, in different subtly incompatible distros, with its own share of problems, and a non-starter if you need and/or want to use many proprietary staples, from the Creative Suite to video, music, and business apps...

Windows doesn't require a computer?

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by doodlebugging »

I am wrapping up my shift from Windows to Linux. I will have a linux box to replace my Win7Pro/Win10Pro install on an old Dell workstation. I will also be migrating one of my older relative's pc's to an identical linux box to replace their 2008 model ASUS machine running Win10.

Once I have that all comfortably running I am walking away from iOS on the iPhone. I'm a bit tired of lock-in and in a position now where I have free time to manage the various things that interest me and to sort through any issues with data or software compatibility between the old/new OSes.

I've been a pc user since the early 1980's with DOS and my first pc was a 128k MAC which I still have. I won't have any more Microsoft or Apple stuff in a couple of months if all goes well. Wish me luck.

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