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Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

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Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#131
This seems like the actual work of the article: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.5c13908

And the superbase is 1,5,7-triazabicyclo [4.3.0] non-6-ene

It is an anime based technology. Other amines in water-based solutions also get regenerated at about <200C. It is great to find new molecules to do this work but as I usual, these marketing articles sensationalize the actual work.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#132

I am not against doing research in this area, please do, it is interesting and likely has many applications but global CO2 removal isn't one of them. Nothing proposed, including this, is within any orders of magnitude of a viable solution. The only solution we have is put less in the air in the first place. This tech looks interesting for transporting CO2 but that doesn't mean it sequesters it and even if sequestrati…

Maybe we need to genetically engineer special of trees that are active only during the day and sleep at night. Photosynthesis at daytime and Dormancy at nighttime for maximum CO2 conversion.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#133

I am not against doing research in this area, please do, it is interesting and likely has many applications but global CO2 removal isn't one of them. Nothing proposed, including this, is within any orders of magnitude of a viable solution. The only solution we have is put less in the air in the first place. This tech looks interesting for transporting CO2 but that doesn't mean it sequesters it and even if sequestrati…

There's no general will, it's not specifically political will. Emitting less CO2 means doing less things or doing them for much more money due to high taxes to discourage it (and also disproportionately affect poor people). Other than some luddites I've never met anyone that genuinely was willing to sacrifice eating a nice steak or going on vacation unless they are millionaires, and that's only because those people know they can do it as much as they want. You have a huge mass of people getting lifted from poverty that will tell you to fuck off if you tell them that now they are finally out of eating rice and starving they can't have a steak, because of CO2.

All the things silicon valley "caviar communists" say you need to stop doing are basically the dreams of a whole mass of people coming out of poverty. Nice food, traveling, having a car, having A/C, etc.

So we can either find alternatives, or slowly figure out more geoengineering projects like mass absorbing CO2 and the like.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we still need to remove all the excess co2 that we released into the atmosphere since the start of the industrial revolution if we want to reduce the temperature back to what it was before we started disrupting the natural state of the plane. We and previous generations took out a loan and the payment is coming due. Because of the framing about degrees in celcius change people are thinking in small numbers, like…

With ice caps melted off, just removing all the excess CO2 isn't even enough since with that reflective surface gone, more energy from sunlight stays in the atmosphere than previously when more of it was reflected back into space instead of nowadays being absorbed by the ocean.

Absolutely. People seem to think that we just need to recycle more, seal some cracks in the house with foam, install some solar panels, and buy an electric car.

They underestimate the scale of the intervention that will be required to stave off the potential end of human civilization as we know it. If we have any hope of continuing to live at something resembling the quality of life that we've grown up in it will require radical science fiction like developments.

We're going to need things like space based solar shades to regrow glaciers and icepack, advanced breeding and cloning and ecosystem engineering to reconstruct collapsing food webs, and I think the big picture thing is that we're going to need to engineer people to reduce susceptibility to addictive food and manipulative marketing.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#136

I am not against doing research in this area, please do, it is interesting and likely has many applications but global CO2 removal isn't one of them. Nothing proposed, including this, is within any orders of magnitude of a viable solution. The only solution we have is put less in the air in the first place. This tech looks interesting for transporting CO2 but that doesn't mean it sequesters it and even if sequestrati…

There are 4 different categories of fixing the global CO2 challenge: a. Remove CO2 from atmosphere b. Prevent adding new CO2 from reaching atmosphere

This could also be a good use case for #b where CO2 is captured before being released to the atmosphere. For example factories and vehicles could be mandated to use this.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

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post #117

I am not against doing research in this area, please do, it is interesting and likely has many applications but global CO2 removal isn't one of them. Nothing proposed, including this, is within any orders of magnitude of a viable solution. The only solution we have is put less in the air in the first place. This tech looks interesting for transporting CO2 but that doesn't mean it sequesters it and even if sequestrati…

Sequestering CO2 where it's highly concentrated, e.g. at power plants or cement factories exhausts, would be one way to emit less.

I've wondered if capturing carbon emissions from industrial-scale compost facilities would be a net positive. It would have the added benefit of the carbon initially being captured by natural organic processes (i.e. growing food), so it avoids the problem of the energy requirements from trying to just pull carbon from the ambient atmosphere. I don't know if this is feasible but I haven't seen any research on it.

Re: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

#140
One thought I had was to go a very cold place and freeze CO₂ out of the air, about -80°C.

There’s the katabatic winds off of the glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica, which could help things go through.

But I soon realised that CO₂ is so potent, that it’s so such a small proportion of the air that not much would be taken out.

There’s some renewable storage systems that liquify air, that could remove CO₂ but they don’t mention it;,but air liquification doesn’t seem to be growing fast as an option.

The other one from mere A-level chemistry is buffer solutions and using chemical reactions in the Oceans, apart from iron seeding for life, but a chemical that precipitate an insoluble carbonate. Not ideal raining down precipitates, or using the Ocean as a test tube.

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