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Sabotaging Bitcoin

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Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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Since when is incentivizing low cost renewable energy horrifying?

My first link shows that Bitcoin consumes roughly 40GW and my second link shows that the UK roughly does too. There are a lot of ifs and buts here ... but the amount of power used to support the BT mechanism worldwide is roughly the same as the power consumption of the entirety of the UK.

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Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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Since when is incentivizing low cost renewable energy horrifying?

Because every unit of electricity causes climate change and burns resources (even renewable sources of electricity - they just burn them slower). From a societal point of view we are dumping huge amounts of electricity and resources into a hole to accomplish nothing that couldn’t be accomplished with a database and a trusted third party at a billionth of the cost (or less). The vast majority of transactions are specu…

You’re right. I’ll setup the database. Everyone can trust me, honest!

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Unless they didn’t. There’s nothing inherently valuable about crypto beyond what value people assign to it in their minds.

Same with all money. Please research more before parroting this argument. You are not the first person to think of it.

False. Gold and silver have intrinsic value beyond their use as currency.

Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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This article is FUD. No one is spending $30B+ for an attack that gasp extends the required confirmations to a few hours until a re-org can be achieved and accounts settled. In fact, wiping out the derivative markets would be seen as a net-postive by most individual hodlers.

I believe the article reached the same conclusion you did

Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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What this site does not show is how much of the power used to maintain the network is waste power such as gas that's normally burned off at the well site or hydro electric that goes to waste. Unlike AI, there's a strong incentive to find the cheapest electricity possible. Because that's what everyone else is doing. With Bitcoin, you now exactly what your costs are and what your yields are. There's a clear threshold,…

> What this site does not show is how much of the power used to maintain the network is waste power such as gas that's normally burned off at the well site or hydro electric that goes to waste. WTF? Hydro is rarely wasted because it's so dispatchable. Typically, it can only happen during high water seasons. Same for the gas power plants. > Unlike AI, there's a strong incentive to find the cheapest electricity possibl…

An interesting point is that any nation state or corporation can focus resources on either AI or BTC, but not both at the same time. BTC is a sure bet in the long run while AI is potentially capable of delivering a faster ROI with no hard guarantees. As BTC FOMO hits every country on Earth it's likely that AI will take a 100+ year backseat to massive state sponsored BTC operations. It's not hard to imagine a situation where governments restrict AI HW manufacture and limit electricity for AI as a means of supporting the national BTC effort.

Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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Unless they didn’t. There’s nothing inherently valuable about crypto beyond what value people assign to it in their minds.

Same with all money. Please research more before parroting this argument. You are not the first person to think of it.

It's always hilarious when people who are unclear on the basics themselves tell other to "research more". I suppose it's the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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Same with all money. Please research more before parroting this argument. You are not the first person to think of it.

False. Gold and silver have intrinsic value beyond their use as currency.

Not for most people. They aren't going to smelt it down and use it to build electronics or jewelry.

For most people the value is what they can receive for it in trade. Which holds for all money.

Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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Unless they didn’t. There’s nothing inherently valuable about crypto beyond what value people assign to it in their minds.

Same with all money. Please research more before parroting this argument. You are not the first person to think of it.

Fiat money has a difference: an army. It is issued by a government which has the legitimate right to demand taxes, paid in their currency, and deprive you of life and liberty if you don't.

Ultimately the populace could repudiate the whole social contract, which is also just consensus, but that's a far bigger deal than mere money.

Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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Same with all money. Please research more before parroting this argument. You are not the first person to think of it.

False. Gold and silver have intrinsic value beyond their use as currency.

True, but only a minuscule fraction of it is used for that purpose. If that were the sole source of its value, it would be worth pennies per once.

Re: Sabotaging Bitcoin

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Before the AI bubble, Bitmain was only worth ~$1 billion. Now they are worth ~15, because they make chips for AI also. Either way, you could buy bitmain for the budget mentioned in the attack if it were for sale. Or bitmain could pull off the attack, if indeed they do "control ... all the major mining pools" as the article alleges. But who ultimately controls Bitmain? The Chinese state. So, by extension, bitcoin is c…

Like it or not in the end it will just be BTC. China will stop exporting Bitcoin mining tech. Nation States will dump money into proprietary BTC mining tech and keep it to themselves just like military tech. The US needs to see this reality and focus on domestic BTC mining tech like the future depends on it.
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