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Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

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Re: Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

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Archived link: https://web.archive.org/web/20251230214339/https://vptdigita...

there's something seriously wrong with this archived link. It's not staying still for one moment. It's constantly twitching and the text scrolls to weird positions. It's unreadable because of this. Is it the archive at fault or is the original webpage this way?

It constantly reloads for me (Firefox.) Just hit X which replaces the reload button while the page is loading and it will stop.

Re: Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

#12
post #7

I thought this was going to be about honey adulteration, which is a major problem.

Same, and that topic would have been way more interesting (cf. EVOO).

Obviously Internet affiliate marketing schemes are built on mutual exploitation of asymmetric data collection. This cannot possibly surprise anyone.

With that said, this is a good article with excellent data collection and evidence presentation. It's great to have documentation of obviously corrupt practices, even if they are unsurprising.

Re: Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

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post #2

Archived link: https://web.archive.org/web/20251230214339/https://vptdigita...

there's something seriously wrong with this archived link. It's not staying still for one moment. It's constantly twitching and the text scrolls to weird positions. It's unreadable because of this. Is it the archive at fault or is the original webpage this way?

Disable JavaScript, reason #99e99.

Works for me here, and in 90% of the cases where someone complains of annoying page behaviour (cookie banners, revenue optimizations, subscription solicitations, "click here to ...", paywalls, ads, et alii ad nauseam).

Seriously, just disable JavaScript on unknown/untrusted/undeserving sites. It makes the web tolerable.

Re: Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

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TLDR;

- The Honey browser extension inserted their own affiliate link at checkout, depriving others of affiliate revenue.

- Honey collected discount codes entered by users while shopping online, then shook down website owners to have the discount codes removed.

- Honey should have "stood down" if an affiliate link was detected, but their algorithm would decide to skip the stand down based on if the user could be the an affiliate representative testing for compliance.

Allegedly.

Re: Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

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Likening any of this to Volkswagen emissions compliance scandal does a huge disservice by treating "Affiliate Marketing" as far too important.

"Who gets a kickback on this toothbrush" is a much MUCH less important question than "do you pollute the air we are all breathing".

Re: Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

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Likening any of this to Volkswagen emissions compliance scandal does a huge disservice by treating "Affiliate Marketing" as far too important. "Who gets a kickback on this toothbrush" is a much MUCH less important question than "do you pollute the air we are all breathing".

It's comparing Honey's behavior to a well-known and comprehended scandal. Simile is a tried and tested way (hah!) to explain otherwise potentially hard to understand or dry content.

It's not about the severity of the impact, its the fact that they were breaking the rules and explicitly coding to actively avoid being caught by testers.

Re: Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

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It started as a clone of the camelcamelcamel Amazon price history site and got kicked out by Amazon for abusing the system. It pivoted to a coupon site and started sucking down user data with the plugin when PayPal paid $4Bil CASH. Honey cost me affiliate marketing commissions.

Re: Honey's Dieselgate: Detecting and tricking testers

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post #15

TLDR; - The Honey browser extension inserted their own affiliate link at checkout, depriving others of affiliate revenue. - Honey collected discount codes entered by users while shopping online, then shook down website owners to have the discount codes removed. - Honey should have "stood down" if an affiliate link was detected, but their algorithm would decide to skip the stand down based on if the user could be the…

Wow, I am very surprised that cookie stuffing[0] is still a thing. This could have been written 20 years ago.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_stuffing

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