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Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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> disingenuous to blame Trump when this is what U.S. voters chose Trump legitimately campaigned on being cruel to illegal migrants and refugees. He also campaigned on reducing immigration in general. To that extent, you are correct inasmuch as Trump's H1-B policies were promised. (MAGA wasn't subtle [1].) Where I think we can legitimately say this is MAGA versus Republicans is in the reverse brain drain. America in t…

> Where I think we can legitimately say this is MAGA versus Republicans is in the reverse brain drain. America in the 1950s was a destination for top minds. Ameirca in the 2020s is not. I do think it's counter-productive for America to make it harder for legal and talented immigrants, and we should fix that - but what's your evidence that America isn't still the world capital for the ambitious? Statistically: The clo…

> what's your evidence that America isn't still the world capital for the ambitious?

It's a loose hypothesis informed by e.g. this article.

I think America remains a net attractor. If you're smart and driven, you can become a multi-millionaire in America in a way that's harder almost anywhere else. But I'm saying harder. Decades prior, that was closer to impossible. Instead, we're now increasingly the economy where political connections dominate talent. (Again, we're still mostly not that. But we're shifting from the destination to one where talented people in India and China, for example, increasingly stay home.)

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It doesn't matter to conservatives. Look at the US South. They have been poor for generations because they dislike diversity more than they want a strong economy and common prosperity. As far as I can tell the best fix is higher education (exposure to diverse viewpoints & critical thinking predicts partisan shifting). But I'm sure there are other options.

Huh? The US South is wealthier than any country on earth that is not a tax haven excepting only the US as a whole and perhaps Norway with its oil wealth. (The US South was considerably poorer than the rest of the US, but the advent of air conditioning about 75 years ago eventually ended that.) I'm going to guess that it also has more college graduates per capita than any country except the US as a whole. Also, US sta…

A continual point of debate is whether the front-page economic indicators tell the whole story about the welfare of the population. The US lags behind many countries in areas such as life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, health care, suicide, motor vehicle deaths, violent crime, and so forth. We have lots of money, but our money doesn't seem to buy us as much quality of life. I say these things, though I'm doing OK money wise and have an otherwise decent lifestyle.

The disparity between the big indicators and the lives of the people is in fact a source of political contention. In 2024, people were angry in a "growing" economy that seemed to have gotten inflation and unemployment under control.

Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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What's wrong with having a hyphen in your name?

Trump emboldened a lot of racists. You don't need to make any logical sense, just show off your true racist inner self to the world. I guess having a hyphen in your name is woke now.

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I would rather quit a job than risk life for a trip to the USA. I have simply put it on the list of unwise places to travel, places like Iran or North Korea. I have no idea when this might change but countries taken over by high amounts of authoritarianism usually emerge from it fairly randomly and usually not at all.

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It doesn't matter to conservatives. Look at the US South. They have been poor for generations because they dislike diversity more than they want a strong economy and common prosperity. As far as I can tell the best fix is higher education (exposure to diverse viewpoints & critical thinking predicts partisan shifting). But I'm sure there are other options.

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None of the above is in https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/FINAL-MASTE...

Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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I'm curious about how the culture is changing over there. Your comment, from the apparent heart and home of free competition and capitalist zeal, crying about competition? Are you really American? Not being bad here - genuine question.

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I'm not a fan of the way AI is developing, especially the threat it poses to jobs, but it has a way of finding, otherwise hard to locate, facts on the NET: US manufacturing employment peaked in June 1979 at ~19.6 million jobs. It never "stopped" — output has grown — but jobs declined steadily afterward. Main causes of job losses (especially sharp drop 2000–2010): * Globalization and offshoring by US multinationals (k…

A politician that says he wants to restore the country's economic power but has only harmed it further with his actions is worse than one who isn't even pretending to be on the side of the non-rich. President Trump is the product of the greed, big money, and self interest that enabled all of these policy and wealth shifts. This seems to be obvious to everyone except right-leaning people in the US.

Interesting that you blame Trump for this especially since facts speak for themselves.

US manufacturing employment peaked in June 1979 under "President Jimmy Carter (D)."

Key World leaders during major events:

1979 peak → *US: Jimmy Carter. *China: Deng Xiaoping (paramount leader).

China's WTO entry (2001) + PNTR (2000) → *US: Bill Clinton (D) signed PNTR into law (October 2000). *China: Jiang Zemin (CCP General Secretary).

Decline accelerated post-2000 due to globalization, offshoring by US corporations, and policies under multiple administrations (Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr.).

Job losses stem from corporate cost-cutting and systemic economic forces, not one politician. If you're going to blame a politician, then at least list the ones that contributed to the chaos not the ones you don't like because it's affecting you personally.

On a side note, I am one of those natives that has not been able to find a stable job, for the past 30+ years until Trump came in, but then lost it after Job Biden arrived. This is how life has been here in the US, at least for me, after graduating high school. I for one, I'm glad someone is doing something about this mess :)

Re: Foreign tech workers are avoiding travel to the US

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I work for a US based company from the UK. I'd be quite reluctant mostly for the hassle factor - international travel is a pain, now I have a family I don't want anything other than a super easy trip when travelling for work, I don't usually have to travel, so if it's going to be a nightmare I'd rather not go. I've heard of colleagues having to take burner phones to China and stuff in the past and noped out of that,…

The amount of unnecessary travel these large corporations do is insane. All of it subsidized by taxpayers as well just to pollute and destroy the environment for imaginary profits that inflate away within 5 years.

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