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Re: The future of software development is software developers

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People are sharing it. Look at this entire thread. It’s so conflicted. We have half the thread saying it’s 5x and the other half saying they’re delusional and lack critical thinking. I think it’s obvious who lacks critical thinking. If half the thread is saying on the ground AI has changed things and the other half just labels everyone as crazy without investigation… guess which one didn’t do any critical thinking? L…

> I think it’s obvious who lacks critical thinking. My critical thinking is sharp enough to recognize that you're the recently banned ninetyninenine user [0]. Just as unbalanced and quarrelsome as before I can see. It's probably better to draw some conclusion from a ban and adjust, or just leave. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45988923

I’m not that guy lol.

Why don’t you respond to my points rather than attack me.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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I wouldn't describe the LLM's actions in the example as "solving a problem" so much as "following a well-established routine". If I were to, for instance, make a PB&J sandwich, I wouldn't say that what I'm doing is "real cooking" even if it might technically fit the definition. If an LLM controlling a pair of robot hands was able to make a passable PB&J sandwich on my behalf, I _guess_ that could be useful to me (how…

In this analogy you're clearly a private chef with clients who have very specific wishes and allergies. The rest of us are just pumping out CRUD-burgers off the API assembly line. Not exactly groundbreaking stuff. LLMs are really good with burgers, but not so much being a private chef.

Every useful CRUD app becomes its own special snowflake with time and users.

Now if your CRUD app never gets any users sure it stays generic. But we’ve had low code solutions that solve this problem for decades.

LLMs are good at stuff that probably should have been low code in the first place, but couldn’t be for reasons. That’s useful, but it comes with a ton of trade offs. And these kind of solutions covet a lot less ground than you’d think.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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You are wrong. People like yourself will likely be smart enough to stay well employed into the future. It's the folks who are arguing with you trying to say that AI is useless who will quickly lose their jobs. And they'll be all shocked Pikachu face when they get a pink slip while their role gets reassigned to an AI agent

> It's the folks who are arguing with you trying to say that AI is useless who will quickly lose their jobs. Why is it that in every hype there are always the guys like you that want to punish the non-believers? It's not enough to be potentially proven correct, your anger requires the demise of the heretics. It was the same story for cryptocurrencies.

He/she is probably one of those poor souls working for an AI-wrapper-startup who received a ton of compensation in "equity", which will be worth nothing when their founders get acquihired, Windsurf style ;) But until then, they get to threaten us all with the impending doom, because hey, they are looking into the eye of the storm, writing Very Complex Queries against the AI API or whatever...

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Sonnet is dumb as a bag of bricks compared to Opus, perhaps you meant Opus? I never use sonnet for anything anymore, it’s either too verbose or just can’t handle tasks which Opus one shots.

I use the Copilot extension in VS Code, which links back to my enterprise GitHub account, where I have Claude Sonnet 4.5 available amongst other things. I'm not familiar with Opus. I just open the Copilot Chat window in my VS Code, configure it to use Sonnet 4.5, tell it what I need and it writes the responses and code for me. I'm not using it for large tasks. Most of my usage is "examine this codebase and tell me ho…

The Copilot extension in VS Code includes Opus as well. It costs three times as much as Claude, so I'd expect it to perform better or be able to handle more complex tasks, but if you're happy with Claude - I am too - more power to you.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Bro no one said 5x now or your fired that’s your own imagination adding flavor to it. It’s obvious to anyone if your output is 5x less than everyone else you will eventually be let go. There’s no paradigm shift where the boss suddenly announced that. But the underlying unsaid expectation is obvious given what everyone is doing. What happened was this, a couple new hires and some current employees started were using A…

> they were deploying code outside their areas of expertise doing dev ops, infra, backend and frontend. > The boss can now throw a frontend job to a backend developer and now expect completion in a day or less. Right. So essentially vibe coding in unknown domains, sounds great. Truly professional.

Whether you agree with it or not is besides the point. The point is it’s happening.

Your initial stance was disbelief. Now you’re just looking down at it as unprofessional.

Bro, I fucking agree. It’s unprofessional. But the entire point initially was that you didn’t believe it and my objective was to tell you that this is what’s happening in reality. Scoff at it all you want, as AI improves less and less “professional” people will be able to enter our field and operate at the same level as us.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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After working with agent-LLMs for some years now, I can confirm that they are completely useless for real programming. They never helped me solve complex problems with low-level libraries. They can not find nontrivial bugs. They don't get the logic of interwoven layers of abstractions. LLMs pretend to do this with big confidence and fail miserably. For every problem I need to turn my brain to ON MODE and wake up, the…

i had to disable baby Ceph (Deepseek 3.1) from writing changes in Continue because he's like a toddler. But, he did confirm some solutions and wrote a routine and turn me on to some libraries, etc

so I see what you're saying. he comes up with the wrong answers a lot to a problem involving a group of classes in related files

however it's Continue, so it can read files in vs code which is really nice and that helps a lot with its comprehension so sometimes it does find the issue or at least the nature of the issue

I tend to give it bug n-1 to pre digest while I work on bug n

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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> These are the same people that create applications in MS Excel. Ones that want their application to work? :) the last piece of software you should be knocking is MS Excel, in my 30+ year career the one common thread just about everywhere I worked (or contracted at) has used Excel to run some amazing sh*t

Everywhere I've worked as a software engineer the past 30 years I've seen Excel spreadsheets but rarely anything amazing, maybe once back in the 1990's at one place by an Excel guru but those are rare. 00% of the time Excel is used to make essentially table layouts of data maybe with some simple cell calculations.

I dunno much but I do know that if you can start a business that replaces Excel spreadsheets with an application(s) that your business builds you'd be the World's first trillionaire (many "tri" over) :)

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Sure thing. I work on a few projects for my company. The main one is an Android and iOS audiobook-media-player app. I had to update the Android side to use the Google Media3 library instead of the legacy ExoPlayer library. In a typical app this would be pretty straightforward, but we’ve mixed in a lot of custom elements that made the transition quite challenging. I actually attempted it manually back in the day and p…

> strip out any functions that weren’t being used anymore—something like 300-plus functions. Doing that by hand would easily have taken a day or more Any decent IDE can do that refactoring instantly. > I could go on Clearly.

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Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Bro no one said 5x now or your fired that’s your own imagination adding flavor to it. It’s obvious to anyone if your output is 5x less than everyone else you will eventually be let go. There’s no paradigm shift where the boss suddenly announced that. But the underlying unsaid expectation is obvious given what everyone is doing. What happened was this, a couple new hires and some current employees started were using A…

> they were deploying code outside their areas of expertise doing dev ops, infra, backend and frontend. > The boss can now throw a frontend job to a backend developer and now expect completion in a day or less. Right. So essentially vibe coding in unknown domains, sounds great. Truly professional.

Also can you please stop stalking me and just respond to my points instead of digging through my whole profile and attempting to do character assassinations based off of what I wrote in the past? Thanks.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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> After working with agent-LLMs for some years now, I can confirm that they are completely useless for real programming. "completely useless" and "real programming" are load bearing here. Without a definition to agree on for those terms, it's really hard not to read that as you're trying to troll us by making a controversial unprovable claim that you know will get people that disagree with you riled up. What's especi…

Who cares about semantics. Ultimately it all boils down to the money - show me the money. OAI have to show money and so do its customers from using this tool. But nope, the only thing out there where it matters is hype. Nobody is on an earnings call clearly showing how they had a numerical jump in operating efficiency. Until I see that, this technology has a dated shelf life and only those who already generate immens…

maybe they'll ask cut off the free tiers in 2026 and the only thing left will be China and open router
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