Live data from Hacker News

Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

public-sans.digital.gov

91–100 of 107 posts

Re: Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

#91
post #30

anything on digital.gov is at best on life support given 18F was disbanded and much of the government digital service efforts have been neglected

The Secretary of State recently decreed that sans serif fonts were woke and mandated all communications use Times New Roman.

History of the Schwabacher Judenletter repeats

Re: Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

#92
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Times New Roman is the worst serif font they could have picked.

To be fair, it's replacing Calibri, so it's still an improvement. We should just use Garamond or Caslon for everything, but that'll never happen. :(

The other frontpage article on the same topic[1] makes a fairly good case that both Times and Calibri suck in this role (not least because they are default fonts and receive the social connotations of that) and notes in passing that the US Supreme Court uses Century Schoolbook, IMO a solid choice (helped also by their competent formatting) and perhaps a less artsy look than Garamond &co.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46432862

Re: Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IBM Plex is very good. Recently, I have been enjoying https://rsms.me/inter/ for interfaces a bit more (with ss02 for body and ss02+tnum for tables activated).

Inter is the only libre typeface that has good coverage, and produces readable small text on terrible 80 DPI displays. I've tested probably hundreds of them.

But l and I (ell and eye) are identical in Inter.

https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Inter?preview.text=lllll%2...

I never understood why a font designer would ever choose to do that. There should be an ironclad rule that different letters must look different.

Re: Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have it the other way around. It's not used because it's the default font in Figma. It's the fact that it's the best modern alternative to Helvetica, making it universally useful and therefore the default in Figma. Incidentally, I'll forever mourn that the designers didn't choose to go with a glyph for "1" that is closer to the one in Helvetica.

Inter is the default in Figma because the first designer at Figma was the guy who created it.

Huh, TIL. Thank you!

I guess I can try to argue that it if it weren't as generally useful as Helvetica it wouldn't have been made the default in Figma and it wouldn't be, well, so generally used.

Re: Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

#96
post #8

As much as I appreciate the tiny serif for lowercase L and numeral 1 to differentiate l I and 1, I am not the biggest fan of the capital I glyph without the horizontal serifs. It's my biggest design gripe with most sans-serif fonts as it makes it FRUSTRATINGLY difficult to differentiate when looking at words by themselves. Is that lota or Iota? Is that iodestone or lodestone? Both real examples where I fumbled readin…

That's why I love the Readex Pro font. It also has glyphs for Arabic and a lot more languages in the same file, so I can use one font file for everything.

Re: Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

#98
post #30

anything on digital.gov is at best on life support given 18F was disbanded and much of the government digital service efforts have been neglected

The Secretary of State recently decreed that sans serif fonts were woke and mandated all communications use Times New Roman.

I actually agree with this but TNR is so tired for a serif font.

Re: Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

#99
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hasn't Inter been the default tech font for the last 5 years or so by virtue of being the default font in Figma? The Times New Roman of UI.

I think you have it the other way around. It's not used because it's the default font in Figma. It's the fact that it's the best modern alternative to Helvetica, making it universally useful and therefore the default in Figma. Incidentally, I'll forever mourn that the designers didn't choose to go with a glyph for "1" that is closer to the one in Helvetica.

Hah, this one can go on Wikipedia as an example for "chicken or the egg"! IMO, there's probably a number of other fonts that could've been chosen rather than Inter as default Figma font, and if they had been, they'd now be more ubiquitous than Inter. Of course, we'll never know. Unless someone here is looking to do a research study into popularity of fonts over time compared to popularity of Figma and seeing how strong the correlation is - maybe a weekend project for someone into typography ;)

Re: Public Sans – A strong, neutral typeface

#100
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Secretary of State recently decreed that sans serif fonts were woke and mandated all communications use Times New Roman.

History of the Schwabacher Judenletter repeats

Interesting! I knew that the Nazis repudiated Fraktur fonts in 1941 but I never knew the story behind it.
Post reply on HN