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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by drdec »

fireflash38 wrote: post #425
VBprogrammer wrote: post #242

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You know when something doesn't annoy you until someone points it out? It's so obvious in hindsight. Shows like the Big Bang theory, House and Scrubs I very rarely caught two episodes consecutively (and when I did they were on some release schedule so you'd forgotten half of the plot by next week). But they are all practically self contained with only the thread of a longer term narrative being woven between them. It…

Movies are just as bad with the editing. They're way too fucking long. Wake up dead man? I feel like 30-45m could be cut and it'd be good. Why is One Battle after another almost 3 hours? Is there a competition to try to beat the notoriously long Lord of the Rings Extended edition in runtime?

One Battle After Another - skip everything in the earlier timeline at the beginning of the movie. Nothing is lost. It might even be better, because what exactly is happening is a bit of a mystery but you still get all the info you need in the end.

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Post by Tempest1981 »

maccard wrote: post #369
throw-12-16 wrote: post #364

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Your expectations are too high, a 30mm thick screen will never produce good audio.

Various sections of my screen (LG C series) are significantly thicker than 30mm. Also - this isn’t a speaker problem this is a content problem. I watched the princess bride last week on the TV, and didn’t require captions, but I’m watching Pluribus on Netflix and I’m finding it borderline impossible to keep up without them.

> Pluribus on Netflix

on AppleTV/TV+

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Post by redox99 »

tuetuopay wrote: post #346
redox99 wrote: post #105

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Never had an issue with Stranger Things. Maybe you're using the internal speakers?

I watch YouTube with internal TV speakers and I understand everything, even muddled accents. I cannot understand a single TV show or movie with the same speakers. Something tells me it's about the source material, not the device.

Well of course, YouTube is someone sitting in front of the camera with no background noise and speaking calmly.

In a movie the characters may be far away (so it needs to sound like that, not like a podcast), running, exhausted, with a plethora of background noises and so on.

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Post by robhlt »

omnicognate wrote: post #258

It would help if TV manufacturers would clearly document what these features do, and use consistent names that reflect that. It seems they want to make these settings usable without specialist knowledge, but the end result of their opaque naming and vague descriptions is that anybody who actually cares about what they see and thinks they might benefit from some of the features has to either systematically try every p…

"Filmmaker mode" is the industry's attempt at this. On supported TVs it's just another picture mode (like vivid or standard), but it disables all the junk the other modes have enabled by default without wading though all the individual settings. I don't know how widely adopted it is though, but my LG OLED from 2020 has it.

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Post by drdec »

accidentallfact wrote: post #325
pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

I think it isn't a mixing issue, it's an acting issue. It's the obsession with accents, mixed with the native speakers' conviction that vowels are the most important part. Older movies tended to use some kind of unplaceable ("mid atlantic") accent, that could be easily understood. But modern actors try to imitate accents and almost always focus on the vowels. Most native speakers seem to be convinced that vowels are…

>Most native speakers seem to be convinced that vowels are the most important part of English

As a native English speaker studying Spanish, my impression is that English cares about the consonants and Spanish is way more about the vowels. YMMV

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Post by randerson »

I'd pay good money for a dumb 4K OLED TV that does nothing but show whatever is coming in through the HDMI port.

I use a Playstation 5 for everything including Netflix, Apple TV and so on. But every time I turn on the PS5, my TV detects the Playstation and automatically changes the TV's Sound and Video modes to "Gaming", which makes dialog difficult to hear on TV. So I change the setting manually using its horrible remote control, only for it to change back to Gaming the next time I use it.

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Post by dontlaugh »

ubercow13 wrote: post #490
dontlaugh wrote: post #363

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That film had many problems, but the acceptable frame rate was not one of them. Most criticism wasn’t about that.

True but there was specific criticism about how the framerate made it far too easy to see the parts of the effects, sets and costumes that made it clear things were props and spoiled the illusion. Maybe we just require a new level of quality in set design to enable higher frame rates but it clearly has some tradeoff.

I think that’s definitely the case with 4K, and we’ve seen set detail design drastically improve lately as a response.

I don’t see how it’s the case for frame rate, except perhaps for CGI (which has also improved).

I think just like with games, there’s an initial surprised reaction; so many console-only gamers insisted they can’t see the point of 60 fps. And just like with games, it only takes a little exposure to get over that and begin preferring it.

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Post by wil421 »

EbNar wrote: post #226
freitasm wrote: post #55

If only the directors didn't make everything so dark and hard to see. Also stopped messing with sound, making it impossible to hear dialogues.

Incidentally, that's the reason why I love photography in Nolan's movies: he seems to love scenes with bright light in which you can actually see what's going on. Most other movies/series instead are so dark that make my mid-range TV look like crap. And no, it's not an HW fault, as 500 nits should be enough to watch a movie.

Mentioned this elsewhere but The Dark Knight Rises is one of the worst dark movie offenders. When someone says dark movie scenes it’s what comes to my mind. That one confusing backwards movie has terrible audio he did on purpose.

Oppenheimer didnt suffer from either of those issues but I’ve only watched it once on a good TV.

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Post by jrmg »

dylan604 wrote: post #489
joquarky wrote: post #119

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One problem is that the people mixing the audio already know what is being said: Top-down processing (or more specifically, top-down auditory perception) This refers to perception being driven by prior knowledge, expectations, and context rather than purely by sensory input. When you already know the dialog, your brain projects that knowledge onto the sound and experiences it as “clear.”

Look at any setup audio is being mixed on and tell me how many sound bars do you see there? How many flat panels with nothing more than the built in speakers being used? None. The speakers being used and the tricks the equipment do to make multichannel audio work with fewer speakers plays havoc on well mixed audio. Down mixing on consumer device is just never going to sound great

There’s something to what you’re saying - but it’s also something of a spectrum.

Our need to turn up the volume in dialog scenes and turn it back down again in action scenes (for both new and old content) got a lot less when we added a mid-range soundbar and sub to our mid-range TV (previously was using just the TV speakers). I’m not sure whether it’s sound separation - now we have a ‘more proper’ center channel - or that the ends of the spectrum - both bass and treble - are less muddy. Probably a combination of the two.

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