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Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #454

Tesla had a ridiculous lead over everyone and they spaffed it. No new features, no HUD, no dashboard. They want 60k for cars which have nothing in them. Other companies have now ripped the software and the iPad, so they have nothing unique. All they had to do was continue to improve the product. They didn’t even try.

I loath Musk and will never buy a Tesla, but your criticisms are strange. I don't want a HUD. I don't want new features. I want as basic a car as possible that goes forward when I press the gas and stops when I press the brakes. I had a 2007 Honda Fit which I still regret getting rid of. I have a new Honda and every single new feature (except for displaying the speed limit, which has it's own problems) is useless at best and dangerous and distracting at worse.

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Post by monooso »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #571
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #454

Tesla had a ridiculous lead over everyone and they spaffed it. No new features, no HUD, no dashboard. They want 60k for cars which have nothing in them. Other companies have now ripped the software and the iPad, so they have nothing unique. All they had to do was continue to improve the product. They didn’t even try.

I loath Musk and will never buy a Tesla, but your criticisms are strange. I don't want a HUD. I don't want new features. I want as basic a car as possible that goes forward when I press the gas and stops when I press the brakes. I had a 2007 Honda Fit which I still regret getting rid of. I have a new Honda and every single new feature (except for displaying the speed limit, which has it's own problems) is useless at…

> I want as basic a car as possible that goes forward when I press the gas and stops when I press the brakes.

GP was talking about HUD and "new features" in the context of a $60k car. Presumably your desired "basic car" would cost considerably less.

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Post by cjbgkagh »

DustinBrett wrote: post #369
narrator wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The haters on here are ridiculous. If everyone who ever had a product that failed in the market was called a fraud on HN then probably almost everyone would be. SpaceX failed on their first three launches. All the haters here would have voted to shut it all down. Glad Elon's able to recover from business failures without going to the HN comments section to find out what he should do next.

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Elon has done sufficiently impressive things which is why it’s sad that he has to make up a whole bunch of new things to try to impress people. Being the richest man alive is not enough he also has to be the best gamer as well. If he lies about small things that don’t matter then how could I trust him to tell the truth on important things that do matter.

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Post by malfist »

simondotau wrote: post #531
rasz wrote: post #254

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Its not that they dont like him, its more of Editor was big believer until Tesla scammed him out of half a $mil worth of fake roadsters that never materialized.

If that's really the reason, that's the most idiotic reason possible. So he "earned" a couple of Roadsters by spamming his referral code, and it turns out his free cars might be a decade late, and maybe not as awesome as promised? Booo hooooo

> booo hoooo

If your employer said they'd pay you half a million if you worked for them, and then you did and they didn't pay you, I doubt you'd be dismissing it so frivolously

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Post by malfist »

jack_riminton wrote: post #563
tclancy wrote: post #147

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The second part of your post is your opinion plus a hypothesis that supports your opinion.

No I said “ Even if the truck has been a flop I doubt their whole battery program has been “ The replier then went off on one about the truck actually being a flop. I already conceded it had been. The main point was that their battery program probably hasn’t been a flop

The battery is only used for the truck. No one else is building on Tesla's new battery form factor.

Which I do have to point out, doubting it's a failure isn't evidence that it isn't a failure. Which is why I asked you to back up your claims

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Post by rent0pat »

cyberax wrote: post #341
iknowstuff wrote: post #215

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This makes sense but does it make sense to manufacture LFPs as 4680 cylinders instead of rectangular blocks/blades, given https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Blade_battery ?

Yep. Prismatic cells have poorer packaging-to-material ratio (circles are optimal). They offer better thermal properties, but thermals are not the main limiting factor anymore. And the US automakers tried prismatic cells before. Chevy Volt used them in 2012!

How are circles optimal???

Circle packing = 90%

Blade battery packing = 100%

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Post by refurb »

NewLogic wrote: post #561
refurb wrote: post #528

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I'm for startups that don't defraud their customers with a proven track record of lying.

Over promising is fraud. The hyperbole doesn’t help your argument at all.

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Post by jfoster »

sidcool wrote: post #395

The picture of Tesla across internet is so polarizing. X and YouTube is full of Tesla is the future vibe. Electrek and HN is calling it a complete scam. I am sure it's in the middle, but I can't find a balanced opinion anywhere. But I have seen Electrek being too negative about Tesla always. And never reporting anything positive as such.

In many parts of the world, you can walk into a Tesla store and tell them you're not interested in purchasing but would like to try it anyway. More likely than not, they will give you a free test drive. You'll be able to decide for yourself whether it's the future or a scam.

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Post by locknitpicker »

tw04 wrote: post #396
Aarostotle wrote: post #370

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Well reasoned. Before he smoked that reefer, his space company was catching the largest booster ever made with metal chopsticks, all paid for by global satellite internet revenue. His electric crossover/SUV was the best selling car in America. Now that he’s gotten distracted by politics I dislike, he’s not doing any of that. Definitely no longer the world’s greatest builder. /s

> all paid for by global satellite internet revenue. Huh? You think starlink is funding space-x? If they lost all government and private launch business tomorrow and had to rely on Stalink revenues to stay in business they wouldn’t last through next month. > His electric crossover/SUV was the best selling car in America. It was, and then he fried his brain and decided to support fascists across the globe and can’t un…

> Huh? You think starlink is funding space-x?

In the last year alone, around 2/3 of space X's revenue was directly tied to starlink launches.

> If they lost all government and private launch business tomorrow and had to rely on Stalink revenues to stay in business they wouldn’t last through next month.

That's kind of the problem.

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Post by fastball »

NewLogic wrote: post #560
simondotau wrote: post #531

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If that's really the reason, that's the most idiotic reason possible. So he "earned" a couple of Roadsters by spamming his referral code, and it turns out his free cars might be a decade late, and maybe not as awesome as promised? Booo hooooo

It's called fraud, the editor was a victim of fraud. At least he clued on late I guess..

There was no guarantee of Roadster delivery date.
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