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Post by keyringlight »

shakna wrote: post #313
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #276

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The purpose of the naming is generally to overwhelm consumers and drive long term repeat buys. You can’t remember if your tv has the fitzbuzz, but you’re damn sure this fancy new tv in the store looks a hell of a lot better than you’re current tv and there really pushing this fitzbuzz thing.

Cynically, I think its a bit, just a little, to do with how we handle manuals, today. It wasn't that long ago, that the manual spelled out everything in detail enough that a kid could understand, absorb, and decide he was going to dive into his own and end up in the industry. I wouldn't have broken or created nearly as much, without it. But, a few things challenged the norm. For many, many reasons, manuals became les…

Another factor is the increased importance of software part of the product, and how that changes via updates that can make a manual outdated. Or at least a printed manual, so if they're doing updates to product launch it might not match what a customer gets straight out of the box or any later production runs where new firmware is included. It would be somewhat mitigated if there was an onus to keep online/downloadable manuals updated alongside the software. I know my motherboard BIOS no longer matches the manual, but even then most descriptions are so simple they do nothing more than list the options with no explanation.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mschild wrote: post #348
ant6n wrote: post #335

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This used to irk me too. And I liked the epic stories that really became mainstream in the 2010s. But the problem is, nowadays the progression in each episode has become minuscule. It’s not an epic told in 15 stories, it’s just one story drawn out in 15 chapters. It’s often just a bridge from one cliffhanger to the next. For example most of new the Star Trek stuff, none of the episodes stand by themselves. They don’t…

I agree, but when rewatching older Trek shows it is also a bit infuriating how nothing really has an impact. Last season of TNG they introduced the fact that warp was damaging subspace. That fact was forgotten just a few episodes later. I think Strange New Worlds walks that balancing act particularly well though. A lot of episodes are their own adventure but you do have character development and an overarching story…

> when rewatching older Trek shows it is also a bit infuriating how nothing really has an impact

TNG: You get e.g. changes in political relationships between major powers in the Alpha/Beta quadrant, several recurring themes (e.g. Ferengi, Q, Borg), and continuous character development. However, this show does much better job at exploring the Star Trek universe breadth-first, rather than over time.

DS9: Had one of the most epic story arcs in all sci-fi television, that spanned multiple seasons. In a way, this is IMO a golden standard for how to do this: most episodes were still relatively independent of each other, but the long story arcs were also visible and pushed forward.

VOY: Different to DS9, with one overarching plot (coming home) that got pushed forward most episodes, despite individual episodes being mostly watchable in random order. They've figured out a way to have things have accumulating impact without strong serialization.

> Last season of TNG they introduced the fact that warp was damaging subspace. That fact was forgotten just a few episodes later.

True, plenty of dropped arcs in TNG in particular. But often for the better, like in the "damaging subspace" aspect - that one was easy to explain away (fixing warp engines) and was a bad metaphor for ecological anyway; conceptually interesting, but would hinder subsequent stories more than help.

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Post by sirmarksalot »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #181
nntwozz wrote: post #115

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The Godfather in 144hz with DNR and motion smoothing, just like Scorsese intended.

author's intentions for how stuff should be watched are overrated ...that being said motion interpolation is abomination

At the end of the day the viewer should get to see what they want to see. But in my case I usually want to see what the author had in mind, and I want my TV to respect that preference.

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Post by Izkata »

miki123211 wrote: post #293
VBprogrammer wrote: post #242

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You know when something doesn't annoy you until someone points it out? It's so obvious in hindsight. Shows like the Big Bang theory, House and Scrubs I very rarely caught two episodes consecutively (and when I did they were on some release schedule so you'd forgotten half of the plot by next week). But they are all practically self contained with only the thread of a longer term narrative being woven between them. It…

That was the principle many years ago, you had to leave the world exactly in the state you found it in. If John dumped Jane at the beginning of the episode, they had to get back together at the end, otherwise the viewer who had to go to her son's wedding that week wouldn't know what was going on. There was no streaming, recaps were few and far between, and not everybody had access to timeshifting, so you couldn't jus…

Many many years ago... it was already changing in the 90s and 2000s to slow changes per episode, with a callout for a little bit afterwards for anyone who missed the episode where the change occurred.

I think the slow changes in the 2000s and early 2010s were the sweet spot - a lot of room for episodic world and character building that would build to interspersed major episodes for the big changes.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

simonjgreen wrote: post #306
nkrisc wrote: post #292

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> Streaming and especially season drops flip that constraint. How does completely dropping a season flip that? Some shows with complicated licensing and rights have caused entire seasons to be dropped from a given streaming service and it’s very confusing when you finish season N and go right into season N+2.

When I say drop, I am referring to releasing in one big drop, not dropping off the platform. As I explained, that model can permit a binge of content which grants heavy context carryover.

Except when, for some reasons, the recent trend is to release an episode per week even though they have all of them filmed and could just drop a whole season.

As a binge watcher, this irks me to no end; I usually end up delaying watching episode 1 until everything is released, and in the process forget about the show for half a year or something, at which point there's hardly any conversation happening about it anymore.

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Post by Hikikomori »

spoiler wrote: post #319
School-Cotton wrote: post #298

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Anyone who cares about audio will have dedicated speakers, so it barely even makes sense to make TV speakers good.

I'm a bit on the fence about this. If someone buys a TV (y'know, a device that's supposed to reproduce sound and moving pictures), it should at least be decent at both. But if people want a high-end 5.1/7.1/whatever.1 sound then by all means they should be able to upgrade. My mum? She doesn't want or need that, nor does she realistically have the space to have a high-end home-cinema entertainment setup (much less a d…

Good speakers isn't really compatible with flatness of modern tv's. You can certainly make one with good speakers, but it would look weird mounted on the wall. Buying external speakers seems like a decent tradeoff for that.

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Post by drcongo »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #366
drcongo wrote: post #360

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I have an eye-wateringly expensive 7.1 surround system in the living room, and a pair of full size HomePods either side of the TV in my studio. I prefer the audio from the HomePods.

Honestly after hearing his I don't blame you, especially when you consider what a pain in the ass it is to setup a 7.1 system properly.

Ha, 2 hours of placement and calibration tests and then the kids move the speakers to put a mug down. I've given up.

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Post by fuzzfactor »

mhitza wrote: post #117
rtpg wrote: post #98

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I have the same sound issues with a lot of stuff, my current theory at this point is that TVs have gotten bigger and we're further away from them but speakers have stayed kinda shitty... but things are being mixed by people using headphones or otherwise good sound equipment it's very funny how when watching a movie on my macbook pro it's better for me to just use HDMI for the video to my TV but keep on using my MBP s…

Sure, but it's the job of whoever is mastering the audio to take such constraints into account.

Bass is the only thing that counts.

Doesn't matter if it makes vocals part of the backgroud at all times.

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Post by suncore »

mystifyingpoi wrote: post #135
freitasm wrote: post #55

If only the directors didn't make everything so dark and hard to see. Also stopped messing with sound, making it impossible to hear dialogues.

I've watched Silo season 2 and it is basically impossible to watch it during the day. Only at night, with brightness cranked up to 100%.

I turned off HDR. Much happier now that I can see what's going on on the screen.

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Post by skydhash »

YmiYugy wrote: post #375
accidentallfact wrote: post #325

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I think it isn't a mixing issue, it's an acting issue. It's the obsession with accents, mixed with the native speakers' conviction that vowels are the most important part. Older movies tended to use some kind of unplaceable ("mid atlantic") accent, that could be easily understood. But modern actors try to imitate accents and almost always focus on the vowels. Most native speakers seem to be convinced that vowels are…

The Mid-Atlantic accent has fallen out of favor since at least the latter part of the 50s. The issue with hard to understand dialog is a much more recent phenomenon.

I have a 5.1 surround setup and by default I have to give the center a boost in volume. But still you get the movie where surround (sound effects) is loud and the center (dialog) is low.
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