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It is a well known issue: https://zvox.com/blogs/news/why-can-t-i-hear-dialogue-on-tv-... I don't find the source anymore but I think that I saw that it was even a kind of small conspiracy on tv streaming so that you set your speakers louder and then the advertisement time arrive you will hear them louder than your movie. Officially it is just that they switch to a better encoding for ads (like mpeg2 to MPEG-4 for DV…
I think the issue is dynamic range rather than a minor conspiracy. Film makers want to preserve dynamic range so they can render sounds both subtle and with a lot of punch, preserving detail, whereas ads just want to be heard as much as possible. Ads will compress sound so it sounds uniform, colorless and as clear and loud as possible for a given volume.
Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings
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Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings
#262Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.
The Godfather in 144hz with DNR and motion smoothing, just like Scorsese intended.
He had been told to slow down because 24hz simply could not capture his fast movements.
At 144hz, we would be able to better appreciate his abilities.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honestly what I don't get is how this even happened though: it's been I think 10 years with no progress on getting the volume of things to equal out, even with all the fancy software we have. Like I would've thought that 5.1 should be relatively easy to normalize, since the center speech channel is a big obvious "the audience _really_ needs to hear this" channel that should be easy to amplify up in any downmix....ins…
I toyed with the idea of making some kind of app for this but while it may work on desktop it seems less viable for smart tvs which is what I primarily use. Though I have switched to mostly using Plex, so maybe I could look into doing something there.
Doesn't solve for single units but could help with people who use soundbars or amps
Abandoned though - was basically just multiband compression and couldn't find a way to make it adaptable enough (some media always ended up sucking)
Would be super interested to hear what you tried!
Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings
#264Unfortunately settings won't help Season 5 be any better, it verges on being garbage itself, a profound drop in quality compared to previous seasons.
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Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?
Honestly what I don't get is how this even happened though: it's been I think 10 years with no progress on getting the volume of things to equal out, even with all the fancy software we have. Like I would've thought that 5.1 should be relatively easy to normalize, since the center speech channel is a big obvious "the audience _really_ needs to hear this" channel that should be easy to amplify up in any downmix....ins…
doesn't seem like anyone outside the audience thinks it's a serious problem (?)
Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings
#266Are there any creators that evolved and shoot at high frame rates that eliminate the need for motion interpolation and its artifacts or is the grip of the bad old film culture still too strong? (there are at least some 48fps films)
Most of the issues (like "judder") that people have with 24fps are due to viewing it on 60 fps screens, which will sometimes double a frame, sometimes triple it, creating uneven motion. Viewing a well shot film with perfect, expressive motion blur on a proper film screen is surprisingly smooth. The "soap opera" feel is NOT from bad interpolation that can somehow be done right. It's inherent from the high frame rate.…
You've just learned to associate good films with this shitty framerate. Also, most established film makers have yet to learn (but probably never will) how to make stuff look good on high frames. It's less forgiving.
It'll probably take the next generation of viewers and directors..
Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings
#267Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.
Films use cheap set dec and materials. They use lighting and makeup tricks. If you watch at a higher frame rate, the mistakes become obvious rather than melting into the frames. Humans look plastic and fake. The people that are masters of light and photography make intentional choices for a reason. You can cook your steak well done if you like, but that's not how you're supposed to eat it. A steak is not a burger. A…
The technical limitations of the past century should not define what constitutes a film.
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#268"Duffer’s advice highlights a conflict between technological advances and creators' goals. Features like the ones he mentioned are designed to appeal to casual viewers by making images appear sharper or more colorful, but they alter the original look of the content." ------------------------ Settings that make the image look less like how the material is supposed to look are not "advances". Q: So why do manufacturers…
why even bother with "TV Screens"? Why not just get a big computer monitor instead, like 27" or something
Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings
#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
24fps was not chosen from technical merit but because it was the lowest frame rate that most people didn't see flicker.
That choice was made long before Scorsese made The Godfather; and so has virtually every other movie made over the past century. Real artists understand the limits of the medium they're working in and shape their creations to exist within it. So even if there was no artistic or technical merit in the choice to standardize on 24 FPS, the choice to standardize on 24 FPS shaped the media that came after it. Which means…
>before Scorsese made The Godfather
Can you let me in on the joke?
Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings
#270The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.
English is my second language and I always though my lack of understanding was a skill issue. Then I noticed that native speakers also complain. Then I started to watch YouTube channels, live TV and old movies, and I found out I could understand almost everything! (depending on the dialect) When even native speakers can't properly enjoy modern movies and TV shows, you know that something is very wrong...