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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by dontlaugh »

DoctorWhoof wrote: post #163
eviks wrote: post #148

Are there any creators that evolved and shoot at high frame rates that eliminate the need for motion interpolation and its artifacts or is the grip of the bad old film culture still too strong? (there are at least some 48fps films)

Most of the issues (like "judder") that people have with 24fps are due to viewing it on 60 fps screens, which will sometimes double a frame, sometimes triple it, creating uneven motion. Viewing a well shot film with perfect, expressive motion blur on a proper film screen is surprisingly smooth. The "soap opera" feel is NOT from bad interpolation that can somehow be done right. It's inherent from the high frame rate.…

I have a 120 fps TV. Panning shots at 24 fps still give me an instant headache.

Real is good, it’s ergonomic and accessible. Until filmmakers understand that, I’ll have to keep interpolation on at the lowest setting.

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Post by sfn42 »

szszrk wrote: post #212
redox99 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never had an issue with Stranger Things. Maybe you're using the internal speakers?

> Maybe you're using the internal speakers? Which is just another drama that should not be on consumers shoulders. Every time I visit friends with newer TV than mine I am floored by how bad their speakers are. Even the same brand and price-range. Plus the "AI sound" settings (often on by default) are really bad. I'd love to swap my old tv as it shows it's age, but spending a lot of money on a new one that can't play…

I am floored that people really expect integrated TV speakers to be good.

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Post by 0-_-0 »

andersa wrote: post #126

Release your movie in native 120 fps and I'll turn off motion interpolation. Until then, minor flickering artifacts when it fails to resolve motion, or minor haloing around edges of moving objects, are vastly preferable to unwatchable judder that I can't even interpret as motion sometimes. Every PC gamer knows you need high frame rates for camera movement. It's ridiculous the movie industry is stuck at 24 like it's t…

Hear hear. 24 FPS is an abomination for fast movement.

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Post by drysart »

UltraSane wrote: post #214
nntwozz wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Godfather in 144hz with DNR and motion smoothing, just like Scorsese intended.

24fps was not chosen from technical merit but because it was the lowest frame rate that most people didn't see flicker.

That choice was made long before Scorsese made The Godfather; and so has virtually every other movie made over the past century.

Real artists understand the limits of the medium they're working in and shape their creations to exist within it. So even if there was no artistic or technical merit in the choice to standardize on 24 FPS, the choice to standardize on 24 FPS shaped the media that came after it. Which means it's gained merit it didn't have when it was initially standardized upon.

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Post by dontlaugh »

knorker wrote: post #221
saghm wrote: post #207

> Duffer’s advice highlights a conflict between technological advances and creators' goals. Features like the ones he mentioned are designed to appeal to casual viewers by making images appear sharper or more colorful, but they alter the original look of the content. I know I'm pretty unsophisticated when it comes to stuff like art, but I've never been able to appreciate takes like this. If I'm watching something on…

To me it's not about art. It's about this setting making the production quality of a billion dollar movie look like a cardboard SNL set. When walking past a high end TV I've honestly confused a billion dollar movie for a teen weekend project, due to this. It's only when I see "hang on, how's Famous Actor in this?" that I see that oh this is a Marvel movie? To me it's as if people who don't see it are saying "oh, I di…

If films shot at a decent enough frame rate, people wouldn’t feel the need to try to fix it. And snobs can have a setting that skips every other frame.

Similar is the case for sound and (to a much lesser extent) contrast.

Viewers need to be able to see and hear in comfort.

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Post by sfn42 »

lostlogin wrote: post #127
bawolff wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things can be both high resolution and still low quality due to being overcompressed.

While this is true, looking at it sometimes has quality so bad that I think the displayed resolution is just a complete lie.

YouTube does this. When I open a video the quality is set to Auto by default. It'll also show the "actual" quality next to it, like "Auto 1080p". Complete lie. I see this and see the video looks like 480p, manually change to 1080p and it's instantly much better. The auto quality thing is a flat out lie.

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Post by omnicognate »

It would help if TV manufacturers would clearly document what these features do, and use consistent names that reflect that.

It seems they want to make these settings usable without specialist knowledge, but the end result of their opaque naming and vague descriptions is that anybody who actually cares about what they see and thinks they might benefit from some of the features has to either systematically try every possible combination of options or teach themselves video engineering and try to figure out for themselves what each one actually does.

This isn't unique to TVs. It's amazing really how much effort a company will put into adding a feature to a product only to completely negate any value it might have by assuming any attempt at clearly documenting it, even if buried deep in a manual, will cause their customers' brains to explode.

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Post by JetSetIlly »

DoctorWhoof wrote: post #163
eviks wrote: post #148

Are there any creators that evolved and shoot at high frame rates that eliminate the need for motion interpolation and its artifacts or is the grip of the bad old film culture still too strong? (there are at least some 48fps films)

Most of the issues (like "judder") that people have with 24fps are due to viewing it on 60 fps screens, which will sometimes double a frame, sometimes triple it, creating uneven motion. Viewing a well shot film with perfect, expressive motion blur on a proper film screen is surprisingly smooth. The "soap opera" feel is NOT from bad interpolation that can somehow be done right. It's inherent from the high frame rate.…

> Films are more like dreams than like real life.

Yes! The other happy accident of movies that contribute to the dream-like quality, besides the lower frame rate, is the edit. As Walter Murch says in "In the Blink of an Eye", we don't object to jumps in time or location when we watch a film. As humans we understand what has happened, despite such a thing being impossible in reality. The only time we ever experience jumps in time and location is when we dream.

I would go further and say that a really good film, well edited, induces a dreamlike state in the viewer.

And going even further than that, a popular film being viewed by thousands of people at once is as though those people are dreaming the same dream.

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