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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by dvdkon »

cinntaile wrote: post #5
AuthAuth wrote: post #4

For me its going from $0 to $15 a month using Proton which feels way to high. Im cutting proton and switching to Proton free tier for email and Backblaze for storage. Getting a little $100 pc to put in my draw to handle hosting all the stuff i need. My budget is around $10 a month to cover all the tech NEEDS. I think its doable but I will need to pay with my time to learn about/setup a foss stack. I'll also need to p…

I don't think a $10 budget will suffice.

10 USD seems like it should cover the electricity for a small mini PC server (counting maybe 30 watts idle), and if your electricity isn't expensive, it will cover the purchase cost spread over a few years too.

That of course assumes time is free, so I wouldn't compare it to cloud pricing directly. I'd also personally budget in incremental backups.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by drstewart »

bigiain wrote: post #36
mrits wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather Google have my data than the EU

That's a choice. But it's not everyone's choice. And with , the non-USA choice is rapidly becoming more popular - at least among the people I know and talk to outside the US.

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by grenran »

lostlogin wrote: post #54
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #2

> Blogging, Newsletter & Co.: Well, as you can see, I’m writing on Substack. There are no alternatives except to host it entirely yourself, but that doesn’t make sense to me right now. This is wrong. There are loads of alternatives, which I can't remember at the moment. AlternativeTo.net lists Hyvor Blogs ( https://blogs.hyvor.com/ ), which isn't one of the ones I was familiar with and cannot vouch for, but serves as…

You probably know but Substacks’ free speech thing is a huge turn off. That’s how you end up sending push notifications for your latest Nazi content. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/substacks-nazi-p... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/substack-e...

unfortunately some occasional hate speech is the price we have to pay for free speech

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by lostlogin »

grenran wrote: post #83
lostlogin wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably know but Substacks’ free speech thing is a huge turn off. That’s how you end up sending push notifications for your latest Nazi content. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/substacks-nazi-p... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/substack-e...

unfortunately some occasional hate speech is the price we have to pay for free speech

Some countries choose that path and they are where they are.

We are where we are due to our choices too - New Zealand.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by timeon »

grenran wrote: post #83
lostlogin wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably know but Substacks’ free speech thing is a huge turn off. That’s how you end up sending push notifications for your latest Nazi content. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/substacks-nazi-p... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/substack-e...

unfortunately some occasional hate speech is the price we have to pay for free speech

There are countries with freedom of expression without this pseudo-'free speech' BS.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by throw-12-16 »

omnimus wrote: post #58
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

Well WebDav/CalDav/CardDav works quite OK. Baïkal is trivial to selfhost (cal+card) then you just pick some webdav implementation like KaraDav/PicoDav/FlyDav and you are good. Email is really the one that requires lot of caring about so not easy to self host.

You can self host email in an afternoon, its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by scrollaway »

wtcactus wrote: post #74

I find it funny that right at the start the author claims he wants "privacy and data sovereignty" and then he comes into the EU. Now, Proton is based in Switzerland (thank god for some sane countries in Europe that still remain), but EU is not friend to your "privacy and data sovereignty". Countries in EU are going after you (and demanding that external platforms disclosure your anonymous identity so that they can pu…

I started watching YouTuber Evan Edinger recently and it’s been a breath of fresh air because he’s been saying things I understood to be true a long time ago, but never quite verified until now.

One of those being about American exceptionalism and how Americans will only ever make judgement about other countries (including the EU) from the highly deformed perspective of their local news. And they’ll do this, knowingly, with no remorse, because they’ve been taught all their life America is the best so there are no reasons to doubt or consider that things aren’t quite right.

Being a continent away, with no idea what is going on over here, americans don’t understand EU culture, nor how it relates to German culture. Fox News does not understand what exactly happened in that particular case you linked, let alone you who is reading a ragebait-fueled summary of it.

You also clearly don’t understand how the European Commission works and what it is able to actually do.

Should I bother correcting you? Of course not: you are most likely not interested otherwise we wouldn’t be in this situation. The information is available freely online if you so desire and if you are willing to get out of your comfortable bubbles that constantly prioritise the aforementioned American exceptionalism.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by throw-12-16 »

nocchedure wrote: post #8

I’m heavily invested in the Google ecosystem and nothing would make me happier than switching to a privacy-focused European alternative. However, the value of the Google Workspace* mid-tier (approx. 15€) is hard to beat, I think. I get: - granular domain \ email controls (blocklists, routing rules, etc.) - 2tb of google drive space - and now Gemini, which is quite nice It’s 2025, and I’m still finding it impossible t…

Many people view their personal emails being slurped up by a Google AI model as a pretty big negative.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

wtcactus wrote: post #74

I find it funny that right at the start the author claims he wants "privacy and data sovereignty" and then he comes into the EU. Now, Proton is based in Switzerland (thank god for some sane countries in Europe that still remain), but EU is not friend to your "privacy and data sovereignty". Countries in EU are going after you (and demanding that external platforms disclosure your anonymous identity so that they can pu…

Yes, countries in EU prosecute crime. This may be a surprise to some people, but for a long time publicly insulting someone has been a crime in Germany.

In America they don't wait for you to commit a thought crime, they throw you into a gulag right after trying to enter the country: https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/03/13/bc-woman-us-detenti...

But they're practicing the thought crime part by requiring your social media history on entry.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by ArnoVW »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #88
nocchedure wrote: post #8

I’m heavily invested in the Google ecosystem and nothing would make me happier than switching to a privacy-focused European alternative. However, the value of the Google Workspace* mid-tier (approx. 15€) is hard to beat, I think. I get: - granular domain \ email controls (blocklists, routing rules, etc.) - 2tb of google drive space - and now Gemini, which is quite nice It’s 2025, and I’m still finding it impossible t…

Many people view their personal emails being slurped up by a Google AI model as a pretty big negative.

If you pay for Workspace (like he says he does) your data is your own, just like for any SaaS product.
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