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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by BobaFloutist »

madaxe_again wrote: post #196
pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

This is probably the sound settings on your TV. Turn off Clear Voice or the equivalent, disable Smart Surround, which ignores 2.0 streams and badly downmuxes 5.1 streams, and finally, check your speaker config on the TV - they’re often set to Showroom by default, which kills voice but boosts music and sfx, and there should also be options for wall proximity, which do matter, and will make the sound a muddy mess if se…

Kinda silly that you have to turn off a setting called "Clear Voice" to hear the voices clearly

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Post by szszrk »

redox99 wrote: post #105
pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

Never had an issue with Stranger Things. Maybe you're using the internal speakers?

> Maybe you're using the internal speakers?

Which is just another drama that should not be on consumers shoulders.

Every time I visit friends with newer TV than mine I am floored by how bad their speakers are. Even the same brand and price-range. Plus the "AI sound" settings (often on by default) are really bad.

I'd love to swap my old tv as it shows it's age, but spending a lot of money on a new one that can't play a show correctly is ridiculous.

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Post by tybulewicz »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #100
pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

Sounds like you are just using internal speakers. They are notorious for bad vocal range audio. I have a decent surround sound and had no issues at all.

Is there any way to connect just a center speaker to the TV?

I want to get a 3.0 setup with minimal changes to the equipment.

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Post by UltraSane »

nntwozz wrote: post #115
Shorel wrote: post #109

Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.

The Godfather in 144hz with DNR and motion smoothing, just like Scorsese intended.

24fps was not chosen from technical merit but because it was the lowest frame rate that most people didn't see flicker.

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Post by iamacyborg »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #186
echelon wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Films use cheap set dec and materials. They use lighting and makeup tricks. If you watch at a higher frame rate, the mistakes become obvious rather than melting into the frames. Humans look plastic and fake. The people that are masters of light and photography make intentional choices for a reason. You can cook your steak well done if you like, but that's not how you're supposed to eat it. A steak is not a burger. A…

The choice wasn't intentional, it was forced by technology and in turn, methods were molded by technological limitation. What next, gonna complain resolution is too high and you can see costume seams ? The film IS the burger, you said it yourself, it shows off where the movie cheapened on things. If you want a steak you need steak framerate

> What next, gonna complain resolution is too high and you can see costume seams ?

They literally had to invent new types of makeup because HD provided more skin detail than was previously available.

It’s why you’ll find a lot of foundation marketed as “HD cream”.

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Post by snakeboy »

joquarky wrote: post #119
pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

One problem is that the people mixing the audio already know what is being said: Top-down processing (or more specifically, top-down auditory perception) This refers to perception being driven by prior knowledge, expectations, and context rather than purely by sensory input. When you already know the dialog, your brain projects that knowledge onto the sound and experiences it as “clear.”

Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

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Post by UltraSane »

echelon wrote: post #200
PunchyHamster wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The choice wasn't intentional, it was forced by technology and in turn, methods were molded by technological limitation. What next, gonna complain resolution is too high and you can see costume seams ? The film IS the burger, you said it yourself, it shows off where the movie cheapened on things. If you want a steak you need steak framerate

> The choice wasn't intentional, I'm a filmmaker. Yes, it was. > What next, gonna complain resolution is too high and you can see costume seams ? Try playing an SNES game on CRT versus with pixel upscaling. The art direction was chosen for the technology. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jh2ssirC1oQ > The film IS the burger, you said it yourself, it shows off where the movie cheapened on things. If you want a steak you…

24fps was never an intentional choice but more of a compromise for economic reasons.

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Post by _flux »

DoctorWhoof wrote: post #163
eviks wrote: post #148

Are there any creators that evolved and shoot at high frame rates that eliminate the need for motion interpolation and its artifacts or is the grip of the bad old film culture still too strong? (there are at least some 48fps films)

Most of the issues (like "judder") that people have with 24fps are due to viewing it on 60 fps screens, which will sometimes double a frame, sometimes triple it, creating uneven motion. Viewing a well shot film with perfect, expressive motion blur on a proper film screen is surprisingly smooth. The "soap opera" feel is NOT from bad interpolation that can somehow be done right. It's inherent from the high frame rate.…

> Most of the issues (like "judder") that people have with 24fps are due to viewing it on 60 fps screens

That can be a factor, but I think this effect can be so jarring that many would realize that there's a technical problem behind it.

For me 24 fps is usually just fine, but then if I find myself tracking something with my eyes that wasn't intended to be tracked, then it can look jumpy/snappy. Like watching fast flowing end credits but instead of following the text, keeping the eyes fixed at some point.

> Films are more like dreams than like real life. That frame rate is essential to them, and its choice, driven by technical constraints of the time when films added sound, was one of happiest accidents in the history of Arts.

I wonder though, had the industry started with 60 fps, would people now applaud the 24/30 fps as a nice dream-like effect everyone should incorporate into movies and series alike?

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Post by snozolli »

saghm wrote: post #207

> Duffer’s advice highlights a conflict between technological advances and creators' goals. Features like the ones he mentioned are designed to appeal to casual viewers by making images appear sharper or more colorful, but they alter the original look of the content. I know I'm pretty unsophisticated when it comes to stuff like art, but I've never been able to appreciate takes like this. If I'm watching something on…

If someone told me I was looking at the Mona Lisa wrong because it's "not what the artist intended" I'd probably laugh at them.

That's arguably a thing, due to centuries of aged and yellowed varnish.

You can watch whatever you want however you want, but it's entirely reasonable for the creator of art to give tips on how to view it the way it was intended. If you'd prefer that it look like a hybrid-cartoon Teletubby episode, then I say go for it.

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Post by ifh-hn »

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