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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

The specific suggestions they made are good in this case though, they want people to turn off the soap-opera-effect filters.

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Films rely on 24 fps or, rather, low motion resolution to help suspend disbelief. There are things that the viewer are not meant to see or at least see clearly. Yes, part of that specific framerate is nostalgia and what the audience expects a movie to look like, but it holds a purpose. Higher frame rates are superior for shooting reality. But for something that is fictional it helps the audience suspend their disbeli…

Does the suspension break in games, which are not reality? Is there any evidence lower quality is better?

I think that whole complaint is just "people getting used to how it is". Games are just worse in lower framerate because they are interactive and because we never had 24 fps era, the games had lower framerate only if studio couldn't get it to run better on a given hardware

With one caveat, some games that use animation-inspired aesthetics, the animation itself is not smoothed out but basically ran on the slower framerate (see guilty gear games) while everything else (camera movement, some effects) is silky smooth and you still get quick reaction time to your inputs.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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if you film for television, you need to take into consideration how it will look on television

sure, but netflix is probably one of the most tenuous examples of groups that film for television. they film for screens , regardless of where those might be.

...no, a lot of their content is clearly filmed and mastered for cinema. Too dark, voice too low or muddy, stuff that would sound and look fine in a dark room with good, loud sound system but meh everywhere else

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

Perhaps a mixing issue on your end? Multi-channel audio has the dialog track separated. So you can increase the volume of the dialog if you want. Unfortunately I think there is variability in hardware (and software players) in how to down-mix, which sometimes results in background music in the surround channels drowning out the dialog in the centre channel.

> Multi-channel audio has the dialog track separated. So you can increase the volume of the dialog if you want

Are you talking about the center channel on an X.1 setup or something else? My Denon AVR certainly doesn't have a dedicated setting for dialog, but I can turn up the center channel which yields variable results for improved audio clarity. Note that DVDs and Blurays from 10+ years ago are easily intelligible without any of this futzing.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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It is a well known issue: https://zvox.com/blogs/news/why-can-t-i-hear-dialogue-on-tv-... I don't find the source anymore but I think that I saw that it was even a kind of small conspiracy on tv streaming so that you set your speakers louder and then the advertisement time arrive you will hear them louder than your movie. Officially it is just that they switch to a better encoding for ads (like mpeg2 to MPEG-4 for DV…

I feel like the Occam's Razor explanation would be that way TVs are advertised makes it really easy to understand picture quality and far less so to understand audio. In stores, they'll be next to a bunch of others playing the same thing such that really only visual differences will stand out. The specs that will stand out online will be things like the resolution, brightness, color accuracy, etc.

I have a dedicated multi-channel speaker system and still have the problem

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

This is probably the sound settings on your TV. Turn off Clear Voice or the equivalent, disable Smart Surround, which ignores 2.0 streams and badly downmuxes 5.1 streams, and finally, check your speaker config on the TV - they’re often set to Showroom by default, which kills voice but boosts music and sfx, and there should also be options for wall proximity, which do matter, and will make the sound a muddy mess if set incorrectly.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Dynamic Contrast = Low is needed on LG TVs to actually enable HDR scene metadata or something weird like that. 60->120hz motion smoothing is also useful on OLEDs to prevent visual judder; you want either that or black frame insertion. I have no idea what Super Resolution actually does, it never seems to do anything. Also, as a digital video expert I will allow you to leave motion smoothing on.

noo motion smoothing is terrible unless you like soap operas and not cinema, black frame insertion is to lower even more the pixel persistence which really does nothing for 24fps content which already has a smooth blur built in to the image, the best is setting your tv to 120hz so that your 24fps fits evenly and you don't get 3:2 pulldown judder

> noo motion smoothing is terrible unless you like soap operas and not cinema

That's what's so good about it. They say turning it off respects the artists or something, but when I read that I think "so I'm supposed to be respecting Harvey Weinstein and John Lasseter?" and it makes me want to leave it on.

> black frame insertion is to lower even more the pixel persistence which really does nothing for 24fps content which already has a smooth blur built in to the image

That's not necessarily true unless you know to set it to the right mode for different content each time. There are also some movies without proper motion blur, eg animation.

Or, uh, The Hobbit, which I only saw in theaters so maybe they added it for home release.

> he best is setting your tv to 120hz so that your 24fps fits evenly and you don't get 3:2 pulldown judder

That's not really a TV mode, it's more about the thing on the other side of the TV I think, but yes you do want that or VFR.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Dynamic Contrast = Low is needed on LG TVs to actually enable HDR scene metadata or something weird like that. 60->120hz motion smoothing is also useful on OLEDs to prevent visual judder; you want either that or black frame insertion. I have no idea what Super Resolution actually does, it never seems to do anything. Also, as a digital video expert I will allow you to leave motion smoothing on.

noo motion smoothing is terrible unless you like soap operas and not cinema, black frame insertion is to lower even more the pixel persistence which really does nothing for 24fps content which already has a smooth blur built in to the image, the best is setting your tv to 120hz so that your 24fps fits evenly and you don't get 3:2 pulldown judder

Do OLEDs not support 24Hz refresh?

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> regular backup of your mail. Google's Takeout service is a straightforward way to achieve this.

Takeout is a horrible way to do regular backups. You have to manualy request it, it takes a long time to generate, manual download... I only use it for monthly full backups.

Much better way for continous incremental backups is IMAP client that locally mirrors incomming emails (Mutt or Thunderbird). It can be configured to store every email in separate file.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Films use cheap set dec and materials. They use lighting and makeup tricks. If you watch at a higher frame rate, the mistakes become obvious rather than melting into the frames. Humans look plastic and fake. The people that are masters of light and photography make intentional choices for a reason. You can cook your steak well done if you like, but that's not how you're supposed to eat it. A steak is not a burger. A…

The choice wasn't intentional, it was forced by technology and in turn, methods were molded by technological limitation. What next, gonna complain resolution is too high and you can see costume seams ? The film IS the burger, you said it yourself, it shows off where the movie cheapened on things. If you want a steak you need steak framerate

> The choice wasn't intentional,

I'm a filmmaker. Yes, it was.

> What next, gonna complain resolution is too high and you can see costume seams ?

Try playing an SNES game on CRT versus with pixel upscaling.

The art direction was chosen for the technology.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jh2ssirC1oQ

> The film IS the burger, you said it yourself, it shows off where the movie cheapened on things. If you want a steak you need steak framerate

You don't need 48fps to make a good film. You don't need a big budget either.

If you want to take a piece of art and have it look garish, you do you.

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