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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the same sound issues with a lot of stuff, my current theory at this point is that TVs have gotten bigger and we're further away from them but speakers have stayed kinda shitty... but things are being mixed by people using headphones or otherwise good sound equipment it's very funny how when watching a movie on my macbook pro it's better for me to just use HDMI for the video to my TV but keep on using my MBP s…

It is a well known issue: https://zvox.com/blogs/news/why-can-t-i-hear-dialogue-on-tv-... I don't find the source anymore but I think that I saw that it was even a kind of small conspiracy on tv streaming so that you set your speakers louder and then the advertisement time arrive you will hear them louder than your movie. Officially it is just that they switch to a better encoding for ads (like mpeg2 to MPEG-4 for DV…

> I don't find the source anymore but I think that I saw that it was even a kind of small conspiracy on tv streaming so that you set your speakers louder and then the advertisement time arrive you will hear them louder than your movie.

It's not just that. It's obsession with "cinematic" mixing where dialogues are not only quieter that they could, to make any explosion and other effects be much louder than them, but also not enough above background effects.

This all work in cinema where you have good quality speakers playing much louder than how most people have at home.

But at home you just end up with muddled dialogue that's too quiet.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

Using some cheap studio monitors for my center channel helped quite a bit. It ain't perfect, I still use CC for many things, but the flat mid channel response does help with speech.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

Conspriacy theory ... TVs have bad sound so you're compelled to by a soundbar for $$$ I've certainly had the experience of hard to hear dialog but I think (could be wrong) that that's only really happened with listening through the TV speakers. Since I live in an apartment, 99% of the time I'm listening with headphones and haven't noticed that issue in a long time.

Nah, it's just smaller space that's available. Big CRT had space for half decent one, superflat panel doesn't.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #166

"Duffer’s advice highlights a conflict between technological advances and creators' goals. Features like the ones he mentioned are designed to appeal to casual viewers by making images appear sharper or more colorful, but they alter the original look of the content." ------------------------ Settings that make the image look less like how the material is supposed to look are not "advances". Q: So why do manufacturers…

why even bother with "TV Screens"? Why not just get a big computer monitor instead, like 27" or something

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #27

This article seems to imply that the default settings are the manufacturer recommended ones for streaming movies - is that bad ux? Should Netflix be able to push recommended settings to your tv?

> Should Netflix be able to push recommended settings to your tv?

No.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #109

Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.

Just because someone has different taste doesn't make it bad taste. Books have lower resolution still, and they evoke far greater imaginative leaps. For me, the magic lies in what is not shown; it helps aid the suspension of disbelief by requiring you imagination to do more work filling in the gaps. I'm an avid video game player, and while FPS and sports-adjacent games demand high framerates, I'm perfectly happy turn…

books have infinite resolution thanks to AI decompression filter

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #166

"Duffer’s advice highlights a conflict between technological advances and creators' goals. Features like the ones he mentioned are designed to appeal to casual viewers by making images appear sharper or more colorful, but they alter the original look of the content." ------------------------ Settings that make the image look less like how the material is supposed to look are not "advances". Q: So why do manufacturers…

>Assume that every manufacturer out there is equally capable of creating a screen that faithfully reproduces the content to the best ability of current technology.

That basically isn’t true. Or rather, there are real engineering tradeoffs required to make an actual consumer good that has to be manufactured and sold at some price. And, especially considering that TVs exist at different price points, there are going to be different tradeoffs made.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #109

Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.

I disliked the effect (of an unfamiliar TV’s postprocessing) without calling it that and without ever having seen a soap opera. What’s your analysis, doc?

Another commenter said something that resonated with me - it feels too real, loses the magic.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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post #34

I hope AI tools allow for better fan edits. There's enough of a foundation and source footage to redo the later episodes of Stranger Things ... The Matrix ... etc.

The fan edit (M4's) of the Hobbit trilogy is way better than the released version.
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