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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by nutjob2 »

greatgib wrote: post #104
rtpg wrote: post #98

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I have the same sound issues with a lot of stuff, my current theory at this point is that TVs have gotten bigger and we're further away from them but speakers have stayed kinda shitty... but things are being mixed by people using headphones or otherwise good sound equipment it's very funny how when watching a movie on my macbook pro it's better for me to just use HDMI for the video to my TV but keep on using my MBP s…

It is a well known issue: https://zvox.com/blogs/news/why-can-t-i-hear-dialogue-on-tv-... I don't find the source anymore but I think that I saw that it was even a kind of small conspiracy on tv streaming so that you set your speakers louder and then the advertisement time arrive you will hear them louder than your movie. Officially it is just that they switch to a better encoding for ads (like mpeg2 to MPEG-4 for DV…

I think the issue is dynamic range rather than a minor conspiracy.

Film makers want to preserve dynamic range so they can render sounds both subtle and with a lot of punch, preserving detail, whereas ads just want to be heard as much as possible.

Ads will compress sound so it sounds uniform, colorless and as clear and loud as possible for a given volume.

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Post by kec »

eudamoniac wrote: post #45

The soap opera effect is only a problem because no one is used to it. Higher FPS is objectively better. These motion interpolation settings are now ubiquitous and pretty much nobody cares about said effect anymore, which is great, because maybe now we can start having movies above 24FPS. To preempt replies: ask yourself why 24 frames per second is optimal for cinema instead of just being an ancient spec that everyone…

You’d need to actually support your assertion that higher FPS is objectively better, especially higher FPS via motion interpolation which inherently degrades the image by inserting blurry duplicated frames.

People are “used to” high FPS content: Live TV, scripted TV shot on video (not limited to only soap operas), video games, most YouTube content, etc are all at 30-60FPS. It’d be worth asking yourself why so many people continue to prefer the aesthetic of a lower framerates when the “objectively better” higher FPS has been available and moderately prevalent for quite some time.

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Post by quasarj »

Shorel wrote: post #109

Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.

I call it the "British comedy effect". And it's awful, and if you like it, you're awful too, sorry to say.

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Post by echelon »

Shorel wrote: post #109

Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.

Films use cheap set dec and materials. They use lighting and makeup tricks.

If you watch at a higher frame rate, the mistakes become obvious rather than melting into the frames. Humans look plastic and fake.

The people that are masters of light and photography make intentional choices for a reason.

You can cook your steak well done if you like, but that's not how you're supposed to eat it.

A steak is not a burger. A movie is not a sports event or video game.

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Post by andersa »

Release your movie in native 120 fps and I'll turn off motion interpolation. Until then, minor flickering artifacts when it fails to resolve motion, or minor haloing around edges of moving objects, are vastly preferable to unwatchable judder that I can't even interpret as motion sometimes.

Every PC gamer knows you need high frame rates for camera movement. It's ridiculous the movie industry is stuck at 24 like it's the stone age, only because of some boomers screaming of some "soap opera" effect they invented in their brains. I'd imagine most Gen Z people don't even know what a "soap opera" is supposed to be, I had to look it up the first time I saw someone say it.

My LG OLED G5 literally provides a better experience than going to the cinema, due to this.

I'm so glad 4k60 is being established as the standard on YouTube, where I watch most of my content now... it's just movies that are inexplicably stuck in the past...

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Post by lostlogin »

bawolff wrote: post #101
lostlogin wrote: post #91

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If you check it will say the resolution is AMAZING. Despite being a subscriber I pirate their shows to get some pixels.

Things can be both high resolution and still low quality due to being overcompressed.

While this is true, looking at it sometimes has quality so bad that I think the displayed resolution is just a complete lie.

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Post by gck1 »

lostlogin wrote: post #91
etempleton wrote: post #88

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Heavily compressed.

If you check it will say the resolution is AMAZING. Despite being a subscriber I pirate their shows to get some pixels.

I have some *arrs on my server. Anything that comes from Netflix is bitstarved to death. If the same show is available on virtually any other streaming service, it will be at the very least twice the size.

No other service does this.

And for some reason, if HDR versions of their 1080p content are even more bitstarved than SDR.

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Post by layer8 »

bombcar wrote: post #114
bawolff wrote: post #101

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Things can be both high resolution and still low quality due to being overcompressed.

I really wish they had to advertise streams at bitrate and not resolution.

Bitrate still won’t tell you how bad the encoding is. There can be dramatic differences at the same or inverse bitrate.
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