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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by lostlogin »

cdmckay wrote: post #41

I really wanted to switch to the Proton stack and even tried it for a couple weeks but the search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. I had to switch back to Google Workspace. It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.

> the search in Proton Mail is so bad

Have you tried Apple Mail? I’d be interested to hear if it’s worse than that.

I use it, the search is very bad.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by lostlogin »

mrits wrote: post #37
bigiain wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a choice. But it's not everyone's choice. And with , the non-USA choice is rapidly becoming more popular - at least among the people I know and talk to outside the US.

EU has always and always will be moving away from US tech

I’d argue the opposite, that the US is moving away from the rest of the ‘free’ world.

‘Free’ meaning not run by dictators.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by Spooky23 »

lostlogin wrote: post #51
cdmckay wrote: post #41

I really wanted to switch to the Proton stack and even tried it for a couple weeks but the search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. I had to switch back to Google Workspace. It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.

> the search in Proton Mail is so bad Have you tried Apple Mail? I’d be interested to hear if it’s worse than that. I use it, the search is very bad.

Apple Mail the client or the web?

Apple Mail.app is the fastest search available. I use it with o365 specifically for search.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by lostlogin »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #2

> Blogging, Newsletter & Co.: Well, as you can see, I’m writing on Substack. There are no alternatives except to host it entirely yourself, but that doesn’t make sense to me right now. This is wrong. There are loads of alternatives, which I can't remember at the moment. AlternativeTo.net lists Hyvor Blogs ( https://blogs.hyvor.com/ ), which isn't one of the ones I was familiar with and cannot vouch for, but serves as…

You probably know but Substacks’ free speech thing is a huge turn off.

That’s how you end up sending push notifications for your latest Nazi content.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/substacks-nazi-p...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/substack-e...

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by omnimus »

cdmckay wrote: post #41

I really wanted to switch to the Proton stack and even tried it for a couple weeks but the search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. I had to switch back to Google Workspace. It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.

Proton is ok to meh - great marketing though. Try Infomaniak instead.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

bigiain wrote: post #24
ape4 wrote: post #14

They moved from platform A to platform B.

They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy. That's a big deal to some of us. Especially important it the demonstration that your privacy which Google et al, are so insistent on monetizing, does not mean they are charging you less for the same services that other companies can charge when you are paying only with your money, not your privacy as well.

> USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy.

I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, and the latest news is that they're still trying / succeeding on some fronts. Please don't reduce such complicated matters to red vs. blue, it's really more complicated and there are no easy solutions anywhere.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by lostlogin »

Spooky23 wrote: post #53
lostlogin wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the search in Proton Mail is so bad Have you tried Apple Mail? I’d be interested to hear if it’s worse than that. I use it, the search is very bad.

Apple Mail the client or the web? Apple Mail.app is the fastest search available. I use it with o365 specifically for search.

The app. With MS365 I get terrible search results. And worse, my work email has access to some shared accounts which I can’t access from Apple mail as 2FA will only work for the primary account.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by omnimus »

kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

Well WebDav/CalDav/CardDav works quite OK. Baïkal is trivial to selfhost (cal+card) then you just pick some webdav implementation like KaraDav/PicoDav/FlyDav and you are good.

Email is really the one that requires lot of caring about so not easy to self host.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by omnimus »

AuthAuth wrote: post #4

For me its going from $0 to $15 a month using Proton which feels way to high. Im cutting proton and switching to Proton free tier for email and Backblaze for storage. Getting a little $100 pc to put in my draw to handle hosting all the stuff i need. My budget is around $10 a month to cover all the tech NEEDS. I think its doable but I will need to pay with my time to learn about/setup a foss stack. I'll also need to p…

Infomaniak is cheaper and in my experience a lot better swiss provider.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by bradley13 »

I hear good things about Proton, but you are still sticking yourself into an ecosystem.

For documents, if you are even slightly techie, hosting your own OwnCloud/NextCloud is pretty easy. It just works. Both also offer a central calendar function, if that is important.

For email, buy your own domain, and host it with a local provider.

All the other things he mentions (to-do lists, password manager, etc.) just pick your favorite app, and store the data in OwnCloud.

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