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Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by falcor84 »

ldng wrote: post #49
falcor84 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "bubble" is in the financial investment, not in the technology. AI won't disappear after the bubble bursts, just like the web didn't disappear after 2000. If anything, bursting the financial bubble will most likely encourage researchers to experiment more, trying a larger range of cheaper approaches, and do more fundamental engineering rather than just scaling. AI is here to stay, and the only thing that can stop…

I maintain, the web today is not what people though it would be in 1998. The tech has it's uses, it's just not what snake oil sellers are making it to be. And talking about Butlerian jihad is borderline snake oil selling.

Interesting. What particular 1998 claims do you have in mind that were not (at least approximately) fulfilled?

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by jefffoster »

falcor84 wrote: post #47
superze wrote: post #40

As an Opus user, I genuinely don’t understand how someone can work for weeks or months without regularly opening an IDE. The output almost always fails. I repeatedly rewrite prompts, restate the same constraints, and write detailed acceptance criteria, yet still end up with broken or non-functional code.its very frustrating to say the least Yesterday alone I spent about $200 on generations that now require significan…

Why would you spend $200 a day on Opus if you can pay that for a month via the highest tier Claude Max subscription? Are you using the API in some special way?

At a guess an Enterprise API account. Pay per token but no limits.

It’s very easy to spend $100s per dev per day.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by design2203 »

falcor84 wrote: post #48
ldng wrote: post #37

Yeah. OR. You just ignore the bullshit until the bubble burst. Then we'll see what's left and it will not be what the majority think.

The "bubble" is in the financial investment, not in the technology. AI won't disappear after the bubble bursts, just like the web didn't disappear after 2000. If anything, bursting the financial bubble will most likely encourage researchers to experiment more, trying a larger range of cheaper approaches, and do more fundamental engineering rather than just scaling. AI is here to stay, and the only thing that can stop…

AI has been here long before LLM’s… also I dislike the people seemingly tying the two terms together as one.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by alphazard »

The thing that always trips me up is the lack of isolation/sandboxing that all of the AI programming tools provide. I want to orchestrate a workforce of agents, but they can't be trusted not to run amok.

Does anyone have a better way to do this other than spinning up a cloud VM to run goose or claude or whatever poorly isolated agent tool?

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by miguel_martin »

superze wrote: post #40

As an Opus user, I genuinely don’t understand how someone can work for weeks or months without regularly opening an IDE. The output almost always fails. I repeatedly rewrite prompts, restate the same constraints, and write detailed acceptance criteria, yet still end up with broken or non-functional code.its very frustrating to say the least Yesterday alone I spent about $200 on generations that now require significan…

This is what an AGENTS.md - https://agents.md/ (or CLAUDE.md) file is for. Put common constraints to correct model mistakes/issues with respect to the codebase, e.g. in a “code style” section.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by ashishb »

alphazard wrote: post #54

The thing that always trips me up is the lack of isolation/sandboxing that all of the AI programming tools provide. I want to orchestrate a workforce of agents, but they can't be trusted not to run amok. Does anyone have a better way to do this other than spinning up a cloud VM to run goose or claude or whatever poorly isolated agent tool?

I run them inside a sandbox https://github.com/ashishb/amazing-sandbox

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by tayo42 »

ldng wrote: post #37

Yeah. OR. You just ignore the bullshit until the bubble burst. Then we'll see what's left and it will not be what the majority think.

There seems to be a lot of churn, like how js was. We can just wait and see what the react of llms ends up being.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by rambojohnson »

What exhausts me isn’t “falling behind.” It’s watching the profession collectively decide that the solution to uncertainty is to pile abstraction on top of abstraction until no one can explain what’s actually happening anymore.

This agentic arms race by C-suite know-nothings feels less like leverage and more like denial. We took a stochastic text generator, noticed it lies confidently, wipes entire databases and harddrives, and responded by wrapping it in managers, sub-agents, memories, tools, permissions, workflows, and orchestration layers so we don’t have to look directly at the fact that it still doesn’t understand anything.

Now we’re expected to maintain a mental model not just of our system, but of a swarm of half-reliable interns talking to each other in a language that isn’t executable, reproducible, or stable.

Work now feels duller than dishwater, enough to have forced me to career pivot for 2026.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Post by dnw »

alphazard wrote: post #54

The thing that always trips me up is the lack of isolation/sandboxing that all of the AI programming tools provide. I want to orchestrate a workforce of agents, but they can't be trusted not to run amok. Does anyone have a better way to do this other than spinning up a cloud VM to run goose or claude or whatever poorly isolated agent tool?

I have seen Claude disable its sandbox. Here is the most recent example from a couple of weeks ago while debugging Rust: "The panic is due to sandbox restrictions, not code errors. Let me try again with the sandbox disabled:"

I have since added a sandbox around my ~/dev/ folder using sandbox-exec in macOS. It is a pain to configure properly but at least I know where sandbox is controlled.

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