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Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Yes, although quite often they forget not everyone speaks German. I once had a bit of Schadenfrunde while travelling in Netherlands, having the conductor telling us to switch trains in Dutch, and all my German fellow travellers wondering what it was all about.

How dare they speak their own language in their own country on a regional train

It was an international connection train, ICE, between Amsterdam and Cologne....

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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It's really not too much to expect a train going to the airport to make important announcements in English.

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Of course they’re under no obligation to do so. In fact, they’re under no obligation to let in foreign tourists at all, or to not make their lives arbitrarily hard in various ways. But not being obligated to not be a dick doesn’t mean you should in fact be one.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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I find this figure absolutely baffling. How can you run a train system with half of all trains being late?

Someone has never been outside the Western world, lol. In many countries the train comes when it comes and goes when it can, regardless of any fictional like schedules.

I have. Mali didn't have trains at all. Our Indonesian train was on time.

It's not like countries outside Europe can't make trains run on time. Japan's are even more punctual than Switzerland's.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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> I mean if you feel kidnapped because your train connection didn't work out It's not "your train connection didn't work out", it's "you were planning to go somewhere, and the train took you somewhere else entirely, much farther away than when you started, and gave you no way out of this, and not even an apology or explanation". This is absolutely comparable to a form of kidnapping.

Yes because after kidnapping you are always allowed to leave the vehicle you were kidnapped with and continue with your day. Sorry, but no.

If you want to continue the analogy via consequences, it's not a defense to kidnapping to say you let them go at the end.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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There're certain kinds of rewards to encourage traveling by rail in Europe. For example, a training course I attended refunded part of your travel expenses if you took a long-distance train. And there're people who believe in not flying for the sake of the planet. But at this point, I'm convinced you should avoid any train in and around Germany. This includes Denmark as well. Just take a plane, but don't have a layov…

Nope, leave Italy off the well-functioning rail. I am a commuter, i use the train here since 2009 and it's terrible. We're going through the same experiences described in the post, but often even much worse. On December 1st, my train took 6 hours to travel 100km instead of 1 hour so we too felt like the post author.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Watch the neoliberals feed off of rigid bureaucratic incompetence to pander for privatization and create for-profit bureaucratic incompetence. All with massive subsidies that citizens will pay through taxes or cutting of public services elsewhere. Gotta love the "free" market and "democracy".

Why is DB worse than other operators of similar legal structure and funding, in terms of free markets and democracy, from your perspective?

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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Deutsche Bahn is a joke among Germans by now. It is THAT bad. It's utterly unreliable. We pretend everything is fine, that we have some functioning infrastructure, but it just pretends.

They have some policy that they need to give you a reason for a delay and they'd happily announce something like "we're late because of another train in front of us" and the irony is, of course, the train in front of us is probably late, too, and you never get to know the real reason. No, strike that. The real reason is because the entire system is completely messed up. Train time tables are fantasy by now.

> In DB’s official statistics, a train counts as “on time” if it’s less than six minutes late.1 Cancelled trains are not counted at all.2 If a train doesn’t exist, it cannot be late.

This is true and it is ridiculous.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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I feel like we lost humanity somewhere in modern world. I grew up in 3rd world country and if this were to happen, train would literally stop somewhere, anywhere. (With the assumption it’s safe from crewing into another train). But the idea that you go 55 minutes just because of policy; and skip 15 stations is crazy to me. Again with the assumptions that it can safely stop somewhere for 5m and I’m pretty sure the ans…

Venkatesh Rao offers the following definition of the "Fourth World" Fourth world: Parts of the developed world that have collapsed past third-world conditions because industrial safety nets have simultaneously withered from neglect/underfunding, and are being overwhelmed by demand, but where pre-modern societal structures don’t exist as backstops anymore. This is what this story reminds me of.

I am sorry but this is not Rao's but Umair Haque's and he considers the UK and the US Fourth World.

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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I feel like we lost humanity somewhere in modern world. I grew up in 3rd world country and if this were to happen, train would literally stop somewhere, anywhere. (With the assumption it’s safe from crewing into another train). But the idea that you go 55 minutes just because of policy; and skip 15 stations is crazy to me. Again with the assumptions that it can safely stop somewhere for 5m and I’m pretty sure the ans…

There's a saying

"In a developing country nothing works but everything is possible. In a developed country everything works but nothing is possible"

In Lord of the Rings, fellowship of the ring when Gandalf arrives in Shire and Sam runs to meet him he says, "you're late!" to which Gandalf replies, "Deutsche Bahn is never late but arrives precisely when it means to".

Re: Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn

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I once took the train from Berlin to Netherlands. Just after Hannover but before Dusseldorf and such the train stopped: fire next to the tracks. Honestly, not DB fault this time. Luckily DB trains have a restaurant/cafe in them. I went to get some food but the man behind the counter told me it was closed. I asked him how since he was the seller, he stood there, there was power and internet. What's the problem? Well,…

Sounds extremely reasonable to me. Not all people want to work extra hours for free.

Indeed, but I guess that the seller got compensated anyways for the extra two hours of delayed arrival.
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