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CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

Congratulations, you're the new head of the Department of War. It's Day 1 in your new role.

An admiral walks in and sits down and tells you that he'd like some money to research some unidentified aircraft that are buzzing US Navy pilots. Shaped like "tic tacs", that seem to defy physical laws - they accelerate incredibly fast and seem to be able to move between air and water without damaging their structure, even at high-speed. They've been caught on camera multiple times, and pilots don't know what to make of them.

You ask what is this "mumbo jumbo", and whether he is "serious". He points out to you that if these aircraft are Russian or Chinese in origin, given there is no defence against them, they pose a major threat to national security and your refusal to take them seriously will not bode well for you in the annals of time if they do turn out to be a threat.

You agree to funding a small program to research further.

Then an Army General walks in. He wants $2m for a program to research "remote viewing" and "psychokinesis". You sit in awe as he explains: multiple independent laboratories have been able to conduct experiments that show Extra-Sensory Perception, Remote Viewing and Psychokinesis may be real despite not being explained by any current physical model. There is intelligence to suggest that Chinese and Russian militaries are investing in these techniques and the US military is not able to defend against them if they're real and exploited by adversaries, or for the USA to exploit them either, because they have no understanding of them.

You hand wave it away as "mumbo jumbo" and state this is not the work of "serious people". You demand a physical model to explain it before you invest.

You are reminded that there is no single physical model that explains the entirety of how an aircraft wing works, or how anaesthetics work, and that the only way such models are created is through scientific investigation. If after spending the $2m they're able to show such claims are baseless, that is a null result that has value in that it shows the Russians and Chinese are also not a threat to US National Security.

You are reminded that such techniques may pose a major threat to national security and your refusal to take them seriously will not bode well for you in the annals of time if they do turn out to be a threat.

You agree to funding a small program to research further.

And on it goes. It's Occam's razor - if you commit to the scientific method, you have to commit to it. If you are concerned there is a science and technology that others have and you don't, you need to figure out if there is value in you being able to obtain that science or technology, even if it sounds like "mumbo jumbo" today.

These weren't idiots, they weren't corrupt, they were asking for tiny slithers of money to figure out if Western Civilisation was about to collapse into the hands of a few people who asked more questions.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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No surprise here. The geniuses at the CIA failed to anticipate the fall of the Soviet Union, ignored the warning signs about 9/11, and falsely claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq during the American invasion in 2003. Apparently the so-called intelligence agency was busy with important research on "telepathy," "psychokinesis" and other "para-psychological phenomena."

>falsely claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq during the American invasion in 2003 This was due to malice not ignorance/incompetence.

Well in that case, the CIA is not merely stupid and incompetent, it's deliberately evil. How many innocent civilians were slaughtered in Iraq during the American occupation?

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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TLDR? Goat-staring is real?

"real" in that the program existed and research was done? Yes. "real" in that remote viewing and psychic powers actually exist? No. The CIA researched a ton of "mind-control" techniques under MKULTRA too but that doesn't mean they can control your mind. The government has programs to research UFOs but that doesn't mean aliens are buzzing our skies and kidnapping our cattle. I think what we're really seeing here is ju…

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Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected.

For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the standard strategy of every hedge fund. Remember that theses are groups who pay millions for millisecond advantages in information. And you only need an ~51-55% success rate to make a killing in HFT (vs a 50% success rate from a coinflip). The fact that hedge funds don't have remote viewers on staff is evidence against RV providing utility greater than an RNG.

And for curious people who want to try a scientific approach, I suggest joining https://www.social-rv.com/ which is collecting data about RV and trying to make the experiment ironclad via blockchain authentication of predictions.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. $2million is small. Where I work, I am regularly given budgets well over that to buy software or hardware.

At the time, 2 million was an appreciable sum. Maybe not to a government, but that wasn't chump change back then the way it is now.

That is true. I didn’t take into account inflation.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

#46
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I always thought this was interesting. May 15, 1987: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R0017000... May 17, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident

There just as much completely unrelated to the incident in that as there is related.

Also, what guarantee is there that whomever created that document didn't just date it two days prior to acquire more funding for doing spooky things?

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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post #44

For those who want to consider the mundane explanation about remote viewing: remember that humans can still be surprised by the birthday paradox and other synchronicities that occur when sampling data at large scale. So across thousands of sessions, the weak coincidences documented by the Stargate project are expected. For those who want a skeptical & cynical view: if remote viewing works, it would be part of the sta…

Or certain knowledge is just not available for anyone. No matter how much power and money you have. There are a lot of areas that are buried underneath technology, while it is an innate ability to certain individuals. Most people do not really understand how their gadgets work or what they are capable of beyond what is advertised....

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>falsely claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq during the American invasion in 2003 This was due to malice not ignorance/incompetence.

Well in that case, the CIA is not merely stupid and incompetent, it's deliberately evil. How many innocent civilians were slaughtered in Iraq during the American occupation?

I mean yeah, that's the Americas in general since Europeans first put eyes on it. ~500 years of brutality and slaughter in pursuit of profit. We're gonna do it again in Venezuela and probably Denmark/Greenland. C'est la vie

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we will have new hoaxes by then. The embarrassing part is that we can identify many of them already, before the historical consensus catches on.

Do you have any examples of these easily identifiable contemporary hoaxes?

Are there any areas in which you'd feel attacked if I poined out a hoax?

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the time, 2 million was an appreciable sum. Maybe not to a government, but that wasn't chump change back then the way it is now.

That is true. I didn’t take into account inflation.

Sadly, I don't think any of us did or do.
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