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CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

The CIA has been this way since basically its inception. It's where a bunch of lead-lined brains are given unreasonable budgets and discretion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Science_and_Tec...

Yeah pretty much this unfortunately. Imagine some person tasked and genuinely interested in helping the united states but they do it all with subterfuge which backfires more than it helps anything. Such a person must experience a lot of cognitive dissonance and would generally be susceptible to conspiracy theories such as this which only reinforces the cycle of meddling.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefits of hindsight. I'm sure in 30 odd years someone will be making the same comments about our current hoaxes.

And we will have new hoaxes by then. The embarrassing part is that we can identify many of them already, before the historical consensus catches on.

That's the whole thing about consensus tho, it's hardly embarrassing

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefits of hindsight. I'm sure in 30 odd years someone will be making the same comments about our current hoaxes.

And we will have new hoaxes by then. The embarrassing part is that we can identify many of them already, before the historical consensus catches on.

Do you have any examples of these easily identifiable contemporary hoaxes?

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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The first PDF is the record of a remote viewing session from 2 days before the USS Stark incident, and it is eerily similar to the incident. The feelings and "atmosphere" (can't think of a better word for it) sound like what you might expect on a ship being attacked by a random missile. For example: 1. The drawing on p. 7 looks like the superstructure of a warship. 2. The next few pages might describe what it feels l…

How many of these 'remote viewing' sessions didn't bear any similarities to anything? If you throw a bunch of stuff at a wall, some of it is going to stick. Especially when it appears to be random words that can be applicable to millions of situations.

> Using the standards applied to any other area of science, it is concluded that psychic functioning has been well established. The statistical results of the studies examined are far beyond what is ex- pected by chance. Arguments that these results could be due to methodological flaws in the experiments are soundly refuted. Effects of a magnitude similar to those found in government sponsored research at SRI and SAIC have been replicated at a number of laboratories around the world. Such consistency cannot be readily explained by claims of flaws or fraud.

From Jessica Utts, who was the president of the American Statistical Association and asked to review the Stanford Research Institute psychic programs (including Star Gate).

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333228024_An_Assess...

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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What does the first pdf mean? (And does it remind anyone else of an ee cummings poem or is it just me)

The first PDF is the record of a remote viewing session from 2 days before the USS Stark incident, and it is eerily similar to the incident. The feelings and "atmosphere" (can't think of a better word for it) sound like what you might expect on a ship being attacked by a random missile. For example: 1. The drawing on p. 7 looks like the superstructure of a warship. 2. The next few pages might describe what it feels l…

> the CIA report predates the attack, which is especially strange

It's only strange if you believe the CIA released notes from their super-secret psychic program rather than the more plausible explanation that this is disinformation that was backdated for a boost of prestige.

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> A funding level of $2 million was authorized In government terms that's pretty small. I guess even if there's a low chance of working, the payoff if it did would be huge.

I agree. $2million is small. Where I work, I am regularly given budgets well over that to buy software or hardware.

At the time, 2 million was an appreciable sum. Maybe not to a government, but that wasn't chump change back then the way it is now.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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No surprise here. The geniuses at the CIA failed to anticipate the fall of the Soviet Union, ignored the warning signs about 9/11, and falsely claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq during the American invasion in 2003. Apparently the so-called intelligence agency was busy with important research on "telepathy," "psychokinesis" and other "para-psychological phenomena."

>falsely claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq during the American invasion in 2003

This was due to malice not ignorance/incompetence.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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I am amazed that people take Hal Puthoff at his word that he has worked on all these secret projects for decades even though he cannot describe in definitive terms what the actual outcomes of those programs were. But he is able to talk about them for hours in the vaguest terms possible. How is that even possible. I mean I worked for an aerospace company for 5 years and could go into great and boring detail about what…

Also it would be very easy to proof that it really works. Instead they remain vague. They remind me of the dropship sales boys, that mainly sell courses on how to dropship instead of dropshipping themselves.

If you find a believer they will worship you with no hard questions.

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