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CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

How do we know if something is "mumbo jumbo" until we actually check and verify it?

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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post #4

It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

> By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically We're in an age when vaccines are treated as the enemy and the us health secretary believes paracetamol causes autism.

The Tylenol thing is one of the least crazy things he has believed in, at least it had some initial studies suggesting it. There’s no science at all in most of his beliefs.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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I always thought this was interesting. May 15, 1987: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R0017000... May 17, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident

What does the first pdf mean? (And does it remind anyone else of an ee cummings poem or is it just me)

The first PDF is the results/notes of someone attempting remote viewing. Given the dates, I agree with the above poster that the similarities are impressive.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

I'm not sure it's changed that much. Look at the work around the em drive. Or fusion power for that matter. I'm not saying we shouldn't be researching fusion, but all the fusion "startups" are essentially jokes, or more charitably, monuments to the unwarranted hubris of investment capital.

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TLDR? Goat-staring is real?

"real" in that the program existed and research was done? Yes.

"real" in that remote viewing and psychic powers actually exist? No.

The CIA researched a ton of "mind-control" techniques under MKULTRA too but that doesn't mean they can control your mind.

The government has programs to research UFOs but that doesn't mean aliens are buzzing our skies and kidnapping our cattle.

I think what we're really seeing here is just money laundering and confirmation bias.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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post #8

I always thought this was interesting. May 15, 1987: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R0017000... May 17, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident

What does the first pdf mean? (And does it remind anyone else of an ee cummings poem or is it just me)

The first PDF is the record of a remote viewing session from 2 days before the USS Stark incident, and it is eerily similar to the incident. The feelings and "atmosphere" (can't think of a better word for it) sound like what you might expect on a ship being attacked by a random missile.

For example:

1. The drawing on p. 7 looks like the superstructure of a warship.

2. The next few pages might describe what it feels like to wonder if your ship is actually under missile attack.

3. On page 10 it records "aircraft--large, multiengined; distant; orbiting; distraction controlled, directed. 'Under orders.'" This USNI article has a little more detail on the AWACS plane detecting the incoming attack: https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2017/j...

There are other similarities, but the CIA report predates the attack, which is especially strange.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

The CIA has been this way since basically its inception. It's where a bunch of lead-lined brains are given unreasonable budgets and discretion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Science_and_Tec...

It appears this was actually authorized by Congress.

“ In the FY 1991 Defense Authorization Act, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) was identified as executive agent for initiating a new program to investigate parapsychological/ anomalous phenomena. A funding level of $2 million was authorized for DIA to undertake specific research and other activities relative to this activity. Objectives of this authorization were to enable a systematic and scientifically sound approach to the R&D effort, to permit wider and more systematic review of potential intelligence applications, and to assess foreign developments in this area.”

It was taken serious enough to be funded for two decades starting in the 70s. Eventually it was terminated when the strategic pressure eased.

AIR was commissioned to look at the research and says in this [1]

“A three-component program involving basic research, operations, and foreign assessment has been in place for some time… beginning in the 1970s, it has conducted a program intended to investigate the application of one paranormal phenomenon — remote viewing, or the ability to describe locations one has not visited.”

“The AIR review found that remote viewing produced occasional hits that were statistically better than chance, but it remains unclear whether the observed effects can unambiguously be attributed to paranormal phenomena, and the laboratory conditions under which effects were seen do not generalize to real intelligence problems. The information provided by remote viewing was judged vague and ambiguous, making it difficult or impossible for the technique to yield information of sufficient quality and accuracy for actionable intelligence.”

1. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R0002001...

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

The benefits of hindsight. I'm sure in 30 odd years someone will be making the same comments about our current hoaxes.

Re: CIA Star Gate Project: An Overview (1993) [pdf]

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It’s hard to believe that so recently, “serious” people would fund research of literal mumbo jumbo. By all means, the 90s was a different time epistemologically. We aren’t immune to this today, far from it, though the hoaxes have become way more believable in my assessment.

It's perfectly rational to allocate a bit of money towards investigating unlikely phenomenon. In this case, it started around the 70s and it was believed that the Soviet Union was also doing research into paranormal effects, so even if people were skeptical it seems prudent to allocate funds and research if there's anything there.
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