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Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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First thank you for the sincere description. Second aren't you afraid that the government doesn't run after you? Is this event officially declassified? You certainly provide only childish memories but... you know.

I am glad to know there was a third place besides USA and USSR preparing nuclear stuff during the cold war.

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The most shocking thing in this article is learning about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine I didn't know about it, what an unnecessary loss of life in a modern era.

If that shocks you, the rest of the "Great Leap Forward" policies will chill you to the bone. It really contextualizes the miracle of Chinese modernization.

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It is completely plausible, and no details in the story are outlandish for China. Heck, it feels tamer than I would imagine, even.

Agreed. In my opinion, too much strange embodied experience in this engaged and engaging Part 1. If I told you stories from my childhood as an 10-year old child of an undercover operative in West Germany in 1962-1963 I think many would claim “fiction”. If I did not have my sister as an independent memory backup, even I might have doubts. She was lucky and unlucky and had a big brother.

There was a lot of weird stuff going on in China in the 70s and 80s (and perhaps into the early/mid 90s). Any Gen X Chinese adult will have a lot of stories to tell, like how it was like to join the Tiananmen Square protest in 1989 (my gf in college was from Beijing). I wouldn't discount this story at all based on its contents, and it just wouldn't be worthwhile at all to make it up, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

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I can personally guarantee that this piece is 100% non-fiction.My course also focuses on narrative writing techniques.Does 'Storytelling' have to imply fiction?In Chinese "story(故事)" just things happened, it can be real or fiction .

There are a lot of subtleties about connotation here. I would say that "storytelling" traditionally primarily meant fiction, but some modern uses also include narrative technique generally, including nonfiction and also marketing. There may also be older traditions of nonfiction storytelling, but that has some connotation of a ritualized or formalized activity (e.g. children sitting in a circle listening to a recitat…

To me "storytelling" certainly includes true stories, and isn't limited to fiction at all; "narrative" isn't a word I'd use in describing events.

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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The fact that you immediately think you know what the author I referenced has written and continue to plow forward with your pre-established conclusions is evidence of the “dominant western narrative” effect. Accounts from well-off diaspora of any country will always be negative. It’s a self-selecting group with specific interests.

I mean I skimmed it earlier but I do plan to read it. That said my pre-established conclusions are based on first hand negative accounts of people who currently still live in China some of which do not speak English so weren't influenced by any "western narrative" (where I also lived for a number of years before moving to HK). Those are not accounts from a well-off diaspora. EDIT: By the way, it's not that hard eithe…

Even the official CPC line is critical of Mao. The assertion is not that all Chinese people believe the same thing or all necessarily belief different things from dominant western narratives on every issue. The assertion is simply that: some narratives are dominant in the West and treated as closed issues without any room for critical discussion or nuance. Deviating from those narratives is punished in a variety of ways through social and institutional enforcement.

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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i absolutely loved the story, thank you for sharing!

...and the absolutely unhinged reaction of many commenters to AI use is rich in sociological insight. i have the impression that native english speakers feel somehow threatened... but in general, it's rich for the HN crowd huffing and puffing about AI translation after having turned the world in the most inhuman technology mediated thing, way before AI...

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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Part 2 is the harsh part, including death and execution. And now I know how hard life was, but when I was a kid, I just feel 404 is the sweetest home.

is part 2 already published somewhere in chinese?

Yes, you can find it in a 2016 blog post (linked to here in other comments).

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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It feels off to me as well. It's the kind of unverifiable story that we would like to believe, but there's almost zero way of having independent confirmation. The photos could be from anywhere. The author seems likeable and writes an interesting story, but who knows how much of it is true. The story seems almost tailored to cater to HN, with secret projects, nuclear power, China, and secrecy.

It is completely plausible, and no details in the story are outlandish for China. Heck, it feels tamer than I would imagine, even.

It's completely plausible, which is the most convincing kind of unverifiable stories.

It also caters to the usual biases of the HN crowd: China, nuclear projects, secrecy, etc.

How come the Chinese post is from 2016 and complete but now we're getting it in English and in parts?

Of course, none of it means this is fake. It's just, like the parent commenter said, "slightly off".

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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Agreed. In my opinion, too much strange embodied experience in this engaged and engaging Part 1. If I told you stories from my childhood as an 10-year old child of an undercover operative in West Germany in 1962-1963 I think many would claim “fiction”. If I did not have my sister as an independent memory backup, even I might have doubts. She was lucky and unlucky and had a big brother.

There was a lot of weird stuff going on in China in the 70s and 80s (and perhaps into the early/mid 90s). Any Gen X Chinese adult will have a lot of stories to tell, like how it was like to join the Tiananmen Square protest in 1989 (my gf in college was from Beijing). I wouldn't discount this story at all based on its contents, and it just wouldn't be worthwhile at all to make it up, so let's give him the benefit of…

There was a lot of weird stuff in the 70s and 80s in the US too, no surprise there.
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