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Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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You caught me! Yes, I am using AI to assist with the translation. My IELTS score is 7.5, but my writing band is 6.0. I write my thoughts and comments in Chinese first and then use AI to translate them. The entire article was also translated from my original Chinese manuscript.

谢谢你的文章,太有意思了。这么神秘的故事容易吸引人,万一里面犯了少许语法上的错误,还会有人介意吗?人工智能用起来却可能正事与愿违,让大家质疑你对故事加以过夸张或编造。我建议,第二部不用机器翻译,手动翻译翻译吧。回复人消息,自己写也更好。 Thank you very much for the article, it was super interesting. The mystery in the story draws people in, and people surely won't mind a couple of grammatical mistakes. But you have to watch out: the use of AI makes it easy for people to suspect that the story might've been embellished. For the second…

Yes, I will try my best.Thank you.

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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The reply to the 418 joke is clearly generated, not just translated.

The comment with "you touched on an interesting and profound point" is also not a translation of anything a human would write, but AI slop/filler.

Yes it is, really sorry for it. I don't know how to delete it.

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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You caught me! Yes, I am using AI to assist with the translation. My IELTS score is 7.5, but my writing band is 6.0. I write my thoughts and comments in Chinese first and then use AI to translate them. The entire article was also translated from my original Chinese manuscript.

Write your comments in Chinese, we will use our own translation.

Sounds good.我会试着用中文回复,只是不知道在HN上面这样接受度高么?

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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I’m curious how HN’s general warmth toward self promotion is going to be affected by the steady proliferation of AI-assisted content.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong about using AI to help convey your ideas, as long as the ideas being conveyed are 100% genuinely yours. Because then it just becomes a choice of style , and a non-native speaker may not have a better choice of style than "LLMese". It's like writing something with a commodity Bic ballpoint vs a fancy fountain pen with expensive ink. The style of the prose itself is not the valuable…

> It's like writing something with a commodity Bic ballpoint vs a fancy fountain pen with expensive ink. The style of the prose itself is not the valuable artifact, at least not here (it may be in certain places e.g. poems and novels), unless you think well-written/well-spoken people are automatically more veritable or intelligent, which is just as shallow as lookism.

I think this simplifies the entire discipline of literary criticism and I suppose every other related science. You can write the same prose with both the Bic and the fountain pen; the quality of pen only affects the material quality of the writing—the ink—but not the style (rhetoric? eloquence?) of the writing (i.e., the contents of language, how it’s conveyed, etc.). We aren’t arguing whether it’s appropriate to depreciate writing generated by an LLM to using speech-to-text as opposed to using a keyboard.

The style of the prose does contribute to the value of the artifact and speaks to the repute of the reader in addition. Readers care about what you say and how you say it too.

Nonetheless I as well as others have good reason to interrogate the intrinsic value of LLM-assisted writing especially when it refers to writing like the one being discussed which I reckon qualifies as a part of the “literary non-fiction” genre. So it’s apt that we criticize this writing on those grounds. Many here have even said that they would prefer the 100% genuinely-styled version of the author’s experience which is apparently only 1.5 points lower than whatever their verbal acumen is. [1] Which I imagine places them around the rank of your average American...and I assume so with charity toward the Americans.

While I think some LLM accusations are lazily applied I think communities such as this one benefit from these discussions when waged critically. Especially when status and social capital are of implicit interest.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46411214

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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You caught me! Yes, I am using AI to assist with the translation. My IELTS score is 7.5, but my writing band is 6.0. I write my thoughts and comments in Chinese first and then use AI to translate them. The entire article was also translated from my original Chinese manuscript.

Right, you do what you think is best. I'm in no position to tell you what to do. Having said that, it comes off as robotic and impersonal. Personally, I'd rather read you trying to write with your own words what you wanted to write. That is, if you're not AI yourself which there are high chances of and I'm leaning on that theory.

确实,我自己也非常讨厌AI味的文字,很希望我的英文能和中文一样好。只是可能还要好几年时间吧。

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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I would like to read the original Chinese version as a native speaker. Is there any chance you post that (the article itself) too?

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/22190111

Wow, thanks. I vaguely remembered reading something about this years ago on Zhihu, and I didn't even realize it was the same article!

Re: Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert

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Thank you for sharing. I have been researching this topic for about ten years now and no first hand accounts like to talk or are they alive anymore, this is a very important story, especially in contrast the the dominant Western narratives, thank you!

As often as not, these days, when someone online criticizes the West, it's for something absurd (eg: Churchill interfering with Hitler's continental invasions, or America using the word 'regime' when discussing Iran). Obviously, other times the criticism is wholly justified. What "dominant Western narratives" apply here? I'm not going to bicker. I'm just curious.

Not OP, but one example could perhaps be American Prometheus and the Oppenheimer film. I would consider them "dominant Western narratives" about the origin of the nuclear bomb.

And like the person said, there is nothing inherently wrong with such a narrative. Like them I'm also curious about non-western narratives.

If most groups, cultures, religions, countries were more curious about "non-native" stories, maybe we'd all be a bit more open-minded and understanding.

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