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Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Re: Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Post by coldpie »

stefanfisk wrote: post #94
coldpie wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What DE are you using? Some of the higher profile ones (Gnome, KDE) try to be all smooth and polished and feature-full and in my opinion just introduce more complications and bugs that get in the way of just being a good desktop. I like XFCE because it's just a really good, simple window manager, desktop, and set of basic utilities. Other than that it just gets out of your way and doesn't make you relearn how to do t…

I’ve tried XFCE, i3, Pop Shell and plain Gnome. But it doesn’t really matter, since the DE doesn’t determine how individual apps behave. My baseline is OSX from decade ago OSX with native apps where everyone was following the Apple HIG so consistently that using a Java app felt like waking up in the twilight zone. macOS these days have fallen quite a bit from its UX glory days but there’s still quite a bit to go befo…

Fair. I guess I haven't had that experience, but so much stuff is web-based these days that probably 90% of my computing time is just spent in a browser and the rest in just a handful of applications that I know well.

Re: Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Post by varispeed »

embedding-shape wrote: post #100
jjice wrote: post #43

I don't mind how Liquid Glass looks at all. It's just insane how buggy the system has become. Even Messages will bug out, like deleting my first word if I type too fast after opening a conversation or auto scrolling and not letting me scroll down until I exit and re-enter. Unacceptable for the premium you pay for Apple software. Unacceptable for any software one is paying for. I hope they get their shit together and…

> The thing that amazes me most is that everyone on the teams responsible is probably using their Apple devices and running into these same bugs! This is what surprises me the most to be honest. CarPlay seemingly still suffers from a (sometimes deadly) issue of covering the entire map on your dashboard with the avatar/number of the person calling, so if you're actively using it for navigation (since, you know, there…

Often it is that people who use the devices learn how to work around bugs and then they forget they exist.

There is also subconscious resistance to create an action that will uncover a bug and then remind of personal failure.

Then once whole teams get used to this, it's not possible to get it fixed as it gets deprioritised always.

Re: Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Post by ninkendo »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #27
efficax wrote: post #18

liquid glass is a total disaster. what the hell is going on in the ux teams at apple? this is like their windows vista era. i hate it so much

I'm almost positive that it's because they want to make as many apps as possible VisionOS-friendly. I suspect that they were rather shaken at how poorly AVP was received.

I would be shocked if Apple was making any product decisions to benefit visionOS at the expense of anything else. It’s so abundantly clear that the vision pro was a failure, it would be a horrible mistake to sacrifice anything to try and save it at this point. I think Apple is done with that experiment.

Re: Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Post by walthamstow »

eoskx wrote: post #60
jjice wrote: post #43

I don't mind how Liquid Glass looks at all. It's just insane how buggy the system has become. Even Messages will bug out, like deleting my first word if I type too fast after opening a conversation or auto scrolling and not letting me scroll down until I exit and re-enter. Unacceptable for the premium you pay for Apple software. Unacceptable for any software one is paying for. I hope they get their shit together and…

I've had similar observations with different behaviors in Safari and Finder. One would think the quality of Apple's software would be increasing with the usage of Swift over Objective-C, but the opposite seems to be true.

Spotlight is also slow and buggy now, on an M3 Pro no less. I loathe the feeling of being faster than my computer and having to wait for it to catch up, something that I haven't felt since the M1 came out.

Re: Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Post by lapcat »

embedding-shape wrote: post #100
jjice wrote: post #43

I don't mind how Liquid Glass looks at all. It's just insane how buggy the system has become. Even Messages will bug out, like deleting my first word if I type too fast after opening a conversation or auto scrolling and not letting me scroll down until I exit and re-enter. Unacceptable for the premium you pay for Apple software. Unacceptable for any software one is paying for. I hope they get their shit together and…

> The thing that amazes me most is that everyone on the teams responsible is probably using their Apple devices and running into these same bugs! This is what surprises me the most to be honest. CarPlay seemingly still suffers from a (sometimes deadly) issue of covering the entire map on your dashboard with the avatar/number of the person calling, so if you're actively using it for navigation (since, you know, there…

The Apple release schedule is unremitting. We know that bugs are reported to Apple by developers, and we know that reported bugs get ignored for years, or forever. I suspect that every Apple engineer has a mountain of bugs in their queue.

If Apple leadership doesn't care about software quality, then Apple engineers can't care about software quality. They use the same buggy crap that we do, because they have no choice.

Re: Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Post by frou_dh »

What's obvious to me is that the PRIMARY motivation for Liquid-Glass-ifying MacOS was not to improve MacOS, but simply to make it look consistent with the new version of iOS/iPadOS.

So for Apple to start with a level of disrespect for the existing product where the question of whether each change is actually an improvement is effectively off-topic, it's no wonder they made a dog's dinner of Tahoe.

Re: Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Post by stefanfisk »

coldpie wrote: post #111
stefanfisk wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve tried XFCE, i3, Pop Shell and plain Gnome. But it doesn’t really matter, since the DE doesn’t determine how individual apps behave. My baseline is OSX from decade ago OSX with native apps where everyone was following the Apple HIG so consistently that using a Java app felt like waking up in the twilight zone. macOS these days have fallen quite a bit from its UX glory days but there’s still quite a bit to go befo…

Fair. I guess I haven't had that experience, but so much stuff is web-based these days that probably 90% of my computing time is just spent in a browser and the rest in just a handful of applications that I know well.

I'd guess that I am unusually picky about UX for being a techie. The story would probably have been very different 20 years ago when fiddling with my computer was more of a hobby than a chore.

Re: Last Year on My Mac: Look Back in Disbelief

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Post by 7e »

talentedcoin wrote: post #117

These articles always make me laugh. Everyone complains and then everyone lines up and buys Macs again. macOS has been on the decline for literally years now. If you really want things to change put your money where your mouth is and switch!

Switch to what? Windows is horrible and Linux is just as bad (but in different ways).
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