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2025 was the year Xbox died

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Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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The established wisdom is that it is because the Xbox was one generation "behind" the PS. They didn't want to call the second Xbox an "Xbox 2" because people would assume it was intended to be a competitor to the PS2, when in fact it was a competitor to the PS3 - hence, "Xbox 360". They went off the deep end after that. Xbox One was a stupid name, as is the current alphabet soup. They should have gone from Xbox 360 t…

I imagine the going Xbox 360 -> Xbox 720 would just have been asking to people to joke about it being 720p (even if not actually, the picture quality joke basically writes itself). The solution though was obviously not the brainworm reasoning that got us the Xbox One (nobody was going to call their console 'The One', cf. 'X-bone'). Your alternative of going straight to the Xbox 4 would probably have been considered a…

> Xbox 4 would probably have been considered a loss by the executives

This is moronic to think about as a business. You exist to make money, if "4" leads to more sales then be it.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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>Things are looking worse this generation: The Xbox Series S and X reportedly only sold around 33 million units as of July, according to Statista estimates, while Sony confirmed it sold 84.2 million PS5s as of November.

I read the title and I thought xbox must be doing really bad. Turns out not the case. Especially when two sales figures are 4 months apart. Historically speaking PlayStation has always outsold Xbox by 2-3 times even in Xbox's best days. Compared to its lunch in 2000 when no one in Japan or Asia were buying it this is still not doing too bad.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if PS6 will put Xbox further behind.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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I will never, ever understand why the Xbox didn't just go with 1, 2, 3, etc. Even after the 360, why not do 720, 1080, etc? after the xbox ONE, why not xbox TWO, THREE, etc? Why go with Series S and X? it makes no sense - literally beyond my comprehension. so, going back to the article, xbox died for me the minute the xbox one came out. the name alone was indicative of a rot and disfunction beyond comprehension.

I mean has Microsoft ever released a decent consumer product naming or versioning system? I could name so many bad examples I cant even think of one good one.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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This is an opinion piece embodying a meme that willed itself into existence this year, mostly through social media and Youtube influencers. It was interesting to observe (and tedious as a friend watched dozens of hours of these videos and breathlessly repeated their contents to me.) At some point an Xbox executive had to respond to it to assure that they are working on the next Xbox console, which should've been obvi…

It's because Microsoft hasn't been inspiring confidence when their five year old Xbox Series X is more expensive than last year's better performing PS5 Pro - which runs an increasing library of Microsoft's own games at better resolutions and framerates. Microsoft didn't even have a Black Friday discount for their hardware this year.

That's not the playbook of a company actively invested in a market.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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I remember getting an Xbox One and being excited about the concept of it being the center for entertainment in my house. The marketing promise was that it would integrate with TVs and music and make those things better in ways that were sort of nebulous and not super well defined, and that unfortunately came at the expense of it delivering a good gaming experience.

The first red flag should have been Microsoft trying to push the weird metro/UWP interface that it had with news, the store, movies and a tv guide, and more versus a library of games, and then of course all of the bad PR around Kinect and the DRM. It didn’t have backwards compatibility at launch and most of the games were things that were already out on 360, but for some reason we needed to re-buy.

The game experience never improved and the home entertainment thing never materialized, so you were just left with something that did exactly what the 360 did and duplicated your existing DVR/cable box.

The X/S wasn’t better. First you had to fight scalpers to get one, and then my first experience with it was browsing the store and seeing that I had to pick between buying the Xbox one version of games or the X/S version. The entire thing was built around some new revolutionary concept of streaming cloud games, which didn’t work. Games are FPS capped and if you install them locally they require 15 of the 45 minutes you have to game to download updates that should happen while the thing sleeps. It got slightly better over time, but juxtaposed with my pc and steam it was such an unpolished experience.

What it really comes down to for me is that it’s a gaming console that tries to do a bunch of stuff I don’t care about and fails at the one thing I do care about it doing (playing games). There’s a larger commentary here about Microsoft, but this isn’t unique to them. I should have been a lifelong console buyer; instead I will probably not buy another one because for the past two generations the experience has been awful, and whatever they come out with next is going to be packed with a bunch of streaming junk and AI and other stuff I don’t want, and will not do the thing I do want in any way that competes with the old faithful PC and steam.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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>Things are looking worse this generation: The Xbox Series S and X reportedly only sold around 33 million units as of July, according to Statista estimates, while Sony confirmed it sold 84.2 million PS5s as of November. I read the title and I thought xbox must be doing really bad. Turns out not the case. Especially when two sales figures are 4 months apart. Historically speaking PlayStation has always outsold Xbox by…

> when two sales figures are 4 months apart

Sure, 4 months apart but the xbox consoles have been out for about 5 years, those 4 months don't really make that much difference at this point.

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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I will never, ever understand why the Xbox didn't just go with 1, 2, 3, etc. Even after the 360, why not do 720, 1080, etc? after the xbox ONE, why not xbox TWO, THREE, etc? Why go with Series S and X? it makes no sense - literally beyond my comprehension. so, going back to the article, xbox died for me the minute the xbox one came out. the name alone was indicative of a rot and disfunction beyond comprehension.

I mean has Microsoft ever released a decent consumer product naming or versioning system? I could name so many bad examples I cant even think of one good one.

Yes, windows 95 -> 98 -> 2000 was pretty straightforward to understand.

Same with 7 -> 8 -> (@.@) -> 10 -> 11

Let's not oversell their incompetence, is slightly higher then average but not singularly bad

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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I find it comical that the Switch was completely ignored, which just means to me that Nintendo finally won the console wars while the other two fight for second place. VGCharts has this for lifetime sales for the current consoles in the USA.

Switch 1 (57,530,683) PlayStation 5 - (33,012,035) Xbox Series X|S - (20,764,129) Switch 2 -(4,243,125)

Re: 2025 was the year Xbox died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean has Microsoft ever released a decent consumer product naming or versioning system? I could name so many bad examples I cant even think of one good one.

Yes, windows 95 -> 98 -> 2000 was pretty straightforward to understand. Same with 7 -> 8 -> (@.@) -> 10 -> 11 Let's not oversell their incompetence, is slightly higher then average but not singularly bad

But are you talking about Windows™ 98™ Home™ Premium™ Business™ Edition™ or Windows™ 98™ Business™ Premium™ Home™ Edition™?
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