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CloudFlare is ruining the internet (for me) (2016)

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Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet (for me) (2016)

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Post by nosianu »

tpdly wrote: post #17
nomilk wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Today I looked up a word definition on tfd.com (usually a lightning-fast website), it took 3 cloudflare screens each 10 seconds to load. Why? . Because I'm in South East Asia? I aborted mission and pasted the word in a search engine and had a definition in The shorter the average interaction with the site, the worse the burden cloudflare becomes. E.g. looking up a definition is usually a 5-10 second job, Cloudflare c…

Woah, yeah just tried tfd.com and got 10 CF redirects, still not loading.

From Germany: Two redirects, one for tfd.com, one for the redirected www.thefreedictionary.com. That's the choice -- and fault -- of the domain and webserver owners to have this full redirect instead of serving from the short domain directly.

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet (for me) (2016)

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Post by Alex2037 »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #15
darkwater wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, guilty by default, right? We developed human rights and laws through centuries of debates, pain, suffer, revolutions, fights etc just to get mega-corps doing whatever they feel right, externalizing the trade-offs on innocent peoples.

So what's to be done? Some people are being adversely (and probably unfairly, maybe even unjustly) affected by the actions of people that they share a geographic location with. I'm not convinced that many people desire that, but nobody much wants systematic disruption to a shared resource that has (perhaps regrettably) become economically and socially important, either. And, at its basic level, the net is geography:…

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Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet (for me) (2016)

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Post by Aardwolf »

esperent wrote: post #4

This article is from 2016, and it should be noted that things have significantly increased since then. I no longer have to click traffic lights and motorcycles, I just have to wait a few seconds. I'm in Vietnam so my IP gets flagged for checks a lot, but they all pass automatically in a few seconds. The only time I still get asked to click motorcycles is not Cloudflare, it's Google. They absolutely hate when you try…

I didn't realize the article was from 2016. I still have to click motorcycles and traffic lights sometimes. So nothing has changed at all! I didn't know they were using those motorcycles and traffic lights for almost 10 years already

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet (for me) (2016)

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Post by Egor3f »

binaryturtle wrote: post #2

I fully agree. It's not only the waste of time when you have to confirm you're a human (that adds up to multiple hours per month). It's also the entire blockage of older or less mainstream systems that no longer can access, sometimes critical, websites at all when the Cloudflare check blocks things entirely because the "browser is out of date" or not on their whitelist. Therefore causing excessive discrimination of p…

Moreover, the most hilarious thing here is that Turnstile is easily bypassed by "patchright" (patched playwright runtime) + xvfb + good residential IP pool. So it's hurting real users and not protecting against bots.

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet (for me) (2016)

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Post by nosianu »

It is not CloudFlare that is ruining the Internet, but the spammers and attackers. On the second level, that catching and punishing them is impractical or even impossible depending on their location.

Businesses were perfectly fine to accept the low security of 1990s email, webserver, and all the other configurations and software. They did not suddenly out of nowhere ask for more restrictions (such as email sending restricted to using the email server "officially responsible" for that domain- it used to be you could do the same as with physical mail, where you can drop letters into mailboxes writing a "From" address that was not in the same city as the mailbox location). They certainly did not volunteer to make everything much more difficult -- and expensive -- to set up and use. It also leads to a lot more work for their IT staff and a lot more user problems to respond to.

All these annoying restrictions were forced to be implemented by attacks of all kinds.

Because it is so difficult, compromises needed to be made. CFs methods are of course full of them, such as taking country and IP ranges into account. Feel free to make practical and implementable and affordable suggestions for alternative solutions. You may even get a reward from CF if you can come up with something good that allows them to cut back on restrictive policies while at least maintaining the current level of security. It is in the interest of CFs customers to be as accessible as possible, after all.

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet (for me) (2016)

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Post by raaron773 »

nevon wrote: post #14

I have almost the same experience. I'm not running my own ISP and I'm not in a country known for originating DDoS attacks (Sweden), yet just using Firefox on Linux seems to be enough to be forced to click on traffic lights many times an hour. If I'm using Mullvad VPN that accelerates to almost every minute. CloudFlare claims to support privacy pass, but their extension implementing it seems to do absolutely nothing.

You know, after reading your comment I decided to install and try chromium for few minutes and you're absolutely right. It did not ask captcha once. I opened the same websites where cloudflare always asks me for captcha on firefox so I thought this was common, after finding this out, I am feeling annoyed.

Re: CloudFlare is ruining the internet (for me) (2016)

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Post by bmacho »

nomilk wrote: post #13
esperent wrote: post #4

This article is from 2016, and it should be noted that things have significantly increased since then. I no longer have to click traffic lights and motorcycles, I just have to wait a few seconds. I'm in Vietnam so my IP gets flagged for checks a lot, but they all pass automatically in a few seconds. The only time I still get asked to click motorcycles is not Cloudflare, it's Google. They absolutely hate when you try…

Today I looked up a word definition on tfd.com (usually a lightning-fast website), it took 3 cloudflare screens each 10 seconds to load. Why? . Because I'm in South East Asia? I aborted mission and pasted the word in a search engine and had a definition in The shorter the average interaction with the site, the worse the burden cloudflare becomes. E.g. looking up a definition is usually a 5-10 second job, Cloudflare c…

Archive.org seems to work well as proxy for tfd.

add tfd = http://web.archive.org/web/2026if_/https://www.thefreedictio... as a search engine. (This is our internet now.)

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