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Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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For the longest time, the joy of creation in programming came from solving hard problems. The pursuit of a challenge meant something. Now, that pursuit seems to be short-circuited by an animated being racing ahead under a different set of incentives. I see a tsunami at the beach, and I’m not sure whether I can run fast enough.

> I can run fast enough.

Can you do some code reviews while you're running?

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Being a nondeterministic tool, the output for a given input can vary. Rather than having a solid plan of, "if I provide this input, then that will happen", it's more like, "if I do something like this, I can expect something like that, probably, and if not, then try again until it works, I suppose". What are the productivity gains? Obviously, it must vary. The quality of the tool output varies based on numerous crite…

Also interesting is the possibility that a 10x boost for person A might still be slower than person B not using AI.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Its clear from listening to podcasts/interviews, he does not want to say anything to get on elons bad side. Interviewers appear to also not be eager to broach the subject.

If indeed he doesn't have the heart for basic honesty then why should anyone listen to him about anything?

This is not a high bar. This is not some impossible moral standard to be held to.

This really is an easy one.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Man, this is giving me a cognitive dissonance compared to my experiences. Actually, even the post itself reads like a cognitive dissonance with a dash of the usual "if it's not working for you then you are using it wrong" defence.

I think of it this way. If you dropped Einstein with a time machine two thousand year ago, people would think he is some crazy guy doing scribbles in the sand. No one would ever know how smart he is. The same is with people and advanced AGI like Gemini 3 Pro or Chatgpt 5.2 Pro. We are just dumber than them.

You are certainly dumber than them if you think they are AGI. These models are smart and getting smarter, but they are not AGI.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Man, this is giving me a cognitive dissonance compared to my experiences. Actually, even the post itself reads like a cognitive dissonance with a dash of the usual "if it's not working for you then you are using it wrong" defence.

I think of it this way. If you dropped Einstein with a time machine two thousand year ago, people would think he is some crazy guy doing scribbles in the sand. No one would ever know how smart he is. The same is with people and advanced AGI like Gemini 3 Pro or Chatgpt 5.2 Pro. We are just dumber than them.

Why do you think the models are AGI?

I also like to think that Einstein would be smart enough to explain things from a common point of understanding if you did drop him 2000 years in the past (assuming he also possesses the scientific knowledge humanity accrued in that 2000 year gap). So, your analogy doesn't really make a lot of sense here. I also doubt he'd be able to prove his theories with the technology of the past but that's a different matter.

If we did have AGI models, they would be able to solve our hardest problems (assuming a generous definition of AGI) even if we didn't immediately understand exactly how they got there. We already have a lot of complex systems that most people don't fully understand but can certainly verify the quality of. The whole "too smart for people to understand that they're too smart" is just a tired trope.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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I’m convinced much of this is all noise - people seem to be focusing on the wrong unit of analysis. Producing software and lots of it has never been a problem - coming up with the right projects and producing a vertically differentiated product to what already exists is.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention many companies speedrunning systems of strange and/or perverse incentives with AI adoption. That being said, Welch’s grape juice hasn’t put Napa valley out of business. Human taste is still the subjective filter that LLMs can only imitate, not replace. I view LLM assisted coding (on the sliding scale from vibe coding to fancy auto complete) similar to how Ableton and other DAW software have empowered g…

In the music world, I would say that, rather than DAWs, LLM-assisted coding is more like LLM-assisted music creation.

Yep DAW’s aren’t the comparison. People are not thinking deeply about what is going on - there is a big war on-going in order to eradicate taste and make it systematic to immensely benefit the few.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Man, this is giving me a cognitive dissonance compared to my experiences. Actually, even the post itself reads like a cognitive dissonance with a dash of the usual "if it's not working for you then you are using it wrong" defence.

I feel exactly like Karpathy here. I have some work to do, and I know exactly what I need to do, and I'm able to explain it to AI, and the AI seems to understand me (I'm lately using Opus 4.5). I wrote down a roadmap, it should take me a few weeks of coding. It feels like with a proper workflow with AI agents, this work should be doable in one or two days. Yet, I know by now that it's not going to be nearly that fast…

“We just both feel this sense of possibility, and the fact that we can't make AI help us more is frustrating”

The mirage is alluring.

Re: Karpathy on Programming: “I've never felt this much behind”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its clear from listening to podcasts/interviews, he does not want to say anything to get on elons bad side. Interviewers appear to also not be eager to broach the subject.

If indeed he doesn't have the heart for basic honesty then why should anyone listen to him about anything? This is not a high bar. This is not some impossible moral standard to be held to. This really is an easy one.

Being honest about self-driving AI gets you sued by the richest guy on earth.
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