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Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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"Days"?!? Hard pass. My experiments with shrooms in college was fun, but I couldn't deal with the 8-12 hours of hallucinating.

I guess you didn't touch LSD? I think 12 would be considered short :) I knew personally someone whose trips usually took 48 hours. Unusually long, yes, and really exhausting.

LSD had the same duration with me, but more psychological & emotional impact. So I avoided it for two reasons. Weirdly, all my divorced 50+ year-old male peers are now into K and DMT. They are raving about DMT, but I feel like my brain is too frail-as-is.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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It is interesting how the hallucinations consistently represent tiny people/elves to the mushroom consumer, even across geography/culture. I wonder what the brain is doing…

I wonder what lab rats would experience - lots of tiny rats ?

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So, about one mushroom species in five is poisonous. Why is the ratio so low, why are there lots of edible ones? Without hard-shelled seeds to spread, why be eaten? And the poisonous ones apparently don't use color as a warning signal, and don't smell all that bad, and some of the poisons have really mild effects, like "gives only some people diarrhea" or "makes a hangover worse". Meanwhile three of the deadliest spe…

It's really fucking suspicious that mushrooms evolved mechanisms to produce serotonin. But it helps when you remember that a mushroom is the fruit of a (usually) much larger organism. Then you can start applying normal fruit rules. Some want to be eaten, or picked up and moved around. Some want to keep insects from infesting the fruit. Others don't give a damn and release spores into the wind or water. Also remember…

BTW, Caffeine is also a naturally occurring insecticide, yet humans tend to repurpose and hack things.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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It doesn't count until an occidental university has written some stories about it and claimed to be the real discoverer due to having put some stuff in one of their taxonomies.

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Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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> And the poisonous ones apparently don't use color as a warning signal, and don't smell all that bad, and some of the poisons have really mild effects, like "gives only some people diarrhea" or "makes a hangover worse". Some of the poisonous ones even taste really good, and don't start making you sick for a day or two (and then you die horribly). You hear about it from time to time, where people have the best dinner…

You're likely referring to the death cap (Amanita phalloides), which is reportedly quite tasty. But there's also a mushroom that's both deadly poisonous and a sought-after, commercially sold delicacy, the only difference being the method of preparation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromitra_esculenta Although recent research suggests that some poison remains even after careful preparation, and that consumption may…

Partly I am sure.

I have read stories similar to what I wrote from China as well. I think Europe too, but I would not swear on it.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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If I remember correctly, the properties mentioned in this document are well-known and commonly found in mushroom field guides or scientific literature written in the Chinese language.

I've been to Yunnan and have eaten that mushroom too (properly cooked!). We can find closely related species to this one in the wild in Japan too, but documentation for those Lanmaoa species found outside China is currently lacking, I believe.

EDIT: Found the field guide I was thinking about on my shelf. It's "中国真菌志 牛肝菌科(III)" [1], which is only about boletes!

[1] https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E7%9C%9F%E8%...

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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The Wikipedia page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogenic_bolete_mushroom ) talks about effects lasting for days, even in animal studies. Some of the historical records claimed effects lasting even longer, from months to years, though this sounds like triggered psychosis. So perhaps not very recreational as might be assumed given the topic.

"Days"?!? Hard pass. My experiments with shrooms in college was fun, but I couldn't deal with the 8-12 hours of hallucinating.

Damn. 8-12? For me the peak always lasted 2-3 hours and I was sober again after 7 hours.

Re: Experts explore new mushroom which causes fairytale-like hallucinations

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It's really fucking suspicious that mushrooms evolved mechanisms to produce serotonin. But it helps when you remember that a mushroom is the fruit of a (usually) much larger organism. Then you can start applying normal fruit rules. Some want to be eaten, or picked up and moved around. Some want to keep insects from infesting the fruit. Others don't give a damn and release spores into the wind or water. Also remember…

BTW, Caffeine is also a naturally occurring insecticide, yet humans tend to repurpose and hack things.

Some argue that THC in cannabis actually works similarly because when herbivores regularly ingest it, they become lethargic and lazy, causing them struggle to survive in the world. Kinda like my roommate.

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I guess you didn't touch LSD? I think 12 would be considered short :) I knew personally someone whose trips usually took 48 hours. Unusually long, yes, and really exhausting.

LSD had the same duration with me, but more psychological & emotional impact. So I avoided it for two reasons. Weirdly, all my divorced 50+ year-old male peers are now into K and DMT. They are raving about DMT, but I feel like my brain is too frail-as-is.

Interesting.

Admittedly i wanted to try both but back then I didn't have opportunity, and now the mindspace is just not too.... Right for the risks.

Maybe when I'm too old to worry and it's too late to care :)

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