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Fahrplan – 39C3

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Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#71
post #59

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IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Yeah, it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space. The fact that your opinion usually comes together with other incompatible political opinions of folks that's been running those spaces for decades doesn't help eithe…

You just gave the best example of how these interactions usually play out. You know basically nothing about me and yet you assume to know exactly "what I've become" and that I deserve to be "despised" based on 2 statements that don't tell you anything about me because I never explained my positions in depth.

I spent more than a decade in and around 2-3 local hackerspaces and some of the best practices and infrastructure I introduced/built are still in place. You really know nothing about me to arrive at this conclusion, thereby proving my point that the culture has shifted - not me.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#72
post #60

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The comment is about how political it is, and that it's getting too much. For example this talk: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... Every year the needle gets moved more

I think you just became a righty and are only just now noticing that CCC folks always hated righties with passion.

Not supporting violence = "righty"?

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#73
post #54

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The user had more arguments than just "it's all politics". What level of scrutiny does his statement have to hold up to? Because as far as I am concerned this is not here to find scientific truths.

I don't know man. It's always the same debate: It's either "too much politics" or "no change at all" whenever this issue comes up and the "nothing changed" crowd keeps on reminding everyone that C3 "was always like that". I'm not requesting a scientific study but if you're this convinced that nothing changed despite may old school attendees chiming in to confirm the opposite, perhaps it would be helpful to compare ol…

I find it strange you didn't latch on to the original comment, which has the exact same problem you complained about, but reacted to the response. The best action is to ignore threads and sub-threads you don't care about and leave others who do to their fun.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#74
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Yeah, it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space. The fact that your opinion usually comes together with other incompatible political opinions of folks that's been running those spaces for decades doesn't help eithe…

>it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space

On the other hand, there is a discongruency when people who are against control and surveillance start implementing control and surveillance because the particular purpose sanctified the means. Something that previously seemed non-negotiable, culturally fundamental even, was toppled.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#75
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025. Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looki…

Yeah, it's really not wierd that people thinking that using secure technologies, firewalls and privacy to defend against infections on their electronics would also strongly support using a firewall to defend themselves from disease in the physical space. The fact that your opinion usually comes together with other incompatible political opinions of folks that's been running those spaces for decades doesn't help eithe…

That have to be the tolerance they're everywhere talking about

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#76
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know man. It's always the same debate: It's either "too much politics" or "no change at all" whenever this issue comes up and the "nothing changed" crowd keeps on reminding everyone that C3 "was always like that". I'm not requesting a scientific study but if you're this convinced that nothing changed despite may old school attendees chiming in to confirm the opposite, perhaps it would be helpful to compare ol…

I find it strange you didn't latch on to the original comment, which has the exact same problem you complained about, but reacted to the response. The best action is to ignore threads and sub-threads you don't care about and leave others who do to their fun.

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Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#78

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I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time. There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.

The comment is about how political it is, and that it's getting too much. For example this talk: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... Every year the needle gets moved more

That example is a really good one I also stumbled upon. Feels like a Indymedia meeting.

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#79

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Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3 Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers

Can you point to some?

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... (already mentioned)

Re: Fahrplan – 39C3

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3 Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers

Can you point to some?

and from last year:

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/K...

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S...

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/W...

In comparison, the only talk linked above was "die Sprache der überwacher", a talk about actual surveillance.

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