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Re: Ask HN: How many HN'ers Celebrate Christmas vs. ?

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I, and most of my country I think, celebrate Christmas but don’t really consider it a religious thing. Most people are somewhere between non militant atheists and “technically Christian but only see priests on weddings and funerals”. People who complain about expressions like Mary Christmas and people who preach religious values are both really uncommon. Kids want Santa, adults use the chance to get the family togeth…

It’s a winter solstice celebration, with decorated trees that precede Christianity. That’s why the manger is over on one side, and St Nick on the other. They were amalgamated together.

Re: Ask HN: How many HN'ers Celebrate Christmas vs. ?

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Muslim majority country here (Malaysia).

Christmas day is a public holiday, and so is New Year's. It's also the end of the year when most people want to use up their paid time off. Nobody likes having a holiday on two Thursdays followed by work on Friday. Nor do we want to encourage people to carry vacation days to the next year. So we're happy to take the bulk time off at least, and it gives time for people to arrange school paperwork.

It is technically a sin in Islam to celebrate other religious holidays. Heck, if you want to go deep into the dogma, everything besides the two Eids shouldn't be celebrated and that includes Prophet Muhammad's birthday and New Year's. But you'll see very heated debates about this that I won't go into. Christmas lies in a weird place on this spectrum. Some say Abrahamic holidays are fine, some say most 'Islamic' holidays are blasphemy. People argue about the Santa hats too.

However, Christmas food is perfectly halal. Turkey, peppermint, non-alcoholic egg nog, various desserts. You'll see "end of year" dinners by Muslim restaurants that cater to this.

Culturally, many of us do have Christian family and friends. So it is a convenient time to meet family and just have an excuse to cook complex Western dishes once a year.

Gift giving is rare. You'll see secret Santa stuff at the workplace and in schools. 90% of people in the region do not have disposable income, so expensive gifts are frowned on, as they create pressure. Most are under $25, like fancy soap, snacks, chocolate, a power bank. There's also a culture where charity should be hidden, so stuff usually gets put in a box with no names and the boxes are pseudorandomly distributed.

Re: Ask HN: How many HN'ers Celebrate Christmas vs. ?

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Just read the Bible you will get the point that Jesus has created the world for Himself and His glory. And us to inherit His glory

I'm sure you mean it sincerely but please don't do this here. HN isn't the place to proselytize.

I recognize that this wasn't your decision but I would say having that HN Christmas banner (or any religious holiday banner) is a form of proselytizing. (Not disagreeing with what you said in reply btw.)

I feel that having a banner like that shows a sense of entitlement that people who celebrate (or have been raised to believe in Christ or another religion) have with this entire time of year.

(This is irrespective if the same is done for other holidays which apparently it is but HN history doesn't show this (when searching for stories from a particular day)).

Re: Ask HN: How many HN'ers Celebrate Christmas vs. ?

#16
Even if one is a hardcore atheist and thinks that Jesus was only a weird jewish rabbi, not the god, one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind.

Merely out of respect to all his legacy and positive influence that changed the world to a better place than it was before him.

Re: Ask HN: How many HN'ers Celebrate Christmas vs. ?

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Even if one is a hardcore atheist and thinks that Jesus was only a weird jewish rabbi, not the god, one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind. Merely out of respect to all his legacy and positive influence that changed the world to a better place than it was before him.

> one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind.

Perhaps, but - and take this with as many grains of salt as you like, since I'm an atheist - I've heard decent arguments that he was not born anywhere near December.

Plus, everything associated with Christmas as Americans celebrate it has virtually no bearing on the actual events of his birth and/or life, except I suppose the gift-giving.

Re: Ask HN: How many HN'ers Celebrate Christmas vs. ?

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Even if one is a hardcore atheist and thinks that Jesus was only a weird jewish rabbi, not the god, one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind. Merely out of respect to all his legacy and positive influence that changed the world to a better place than it was before him.

> one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind. Perhaps, but - and take this with as many grains of salt as you like, since I'm an atheist - I've heard decent arguments that he was not born anywhere near December. Plus, everything associated with Christmas as Americans celebrate it has virtually no bearing on the actual events of his birth and/or life, except I s…

Jesus was a real person, it’s a historical fact, not disputed by any worthwhile historians.

If 25 december is not an accurate birthday it’s okay, im happy with moving the celebration to other day if new findings arise.

I wasn’t saying that one particular way of celebrating is right or wrong. My point was about it’s only natural to pay respect to a man who influenced your life, no matter who you are and where you are in this world today. Apparently the degree of influence varies by many factors from almost zero to maximum possible.

Re: Ask HN: How many HN'ers Celebrate Christmas vs. ?

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Even if one is a hardcore atheist and thinks that Jesus was only a weird jewish rabbi, not the god, one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind. Merely out of respect to all his legacy and positive influence that changed the world to a better place than it was before him.

> one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind. Perhaps, but - and take this with as many grains of salt as you like, since I'm an atheist - I've heard decent arguments that he was not born anywhere near December. Plus, everything associated with Christmas as Americans celebrate it has virtually no bearing on the actual events of his birth and/or life, except I s…

There is no argument about whether Jesus was born on Christmas. Most theologians won’t argue that he was.

Re: Ask HN: How many HN'ers Celebrate Christmas vs. ?

#20

Even if one is a hardcore atheist and thinks that Jesus was only a weird jewish rabbi, not the god, one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind. Merely out of respect to all his legacy and positive influence that changed the world to a better place than it was before him.

What about all the horror death and suffering done in his name ? Like a huge proportion of these Christmas culture things come from pagan Norse culture that was very forcibly christianized in a rather brutal way??? You seem to be overlooking a lot to make someone "awesome" or at least the horrors done in their name long after death.
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